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MESSAGE #64

SPIRITUAL TRUTH
FOR THE LAST DAYS #4

SPIRITUAL TRUTH
FOR THE LAST DAYS #4

I have a word in my heart, but I haven't prepared it, so we're just going to go with the Spirit. God has just been reemphasizing to me how His Spirit defends us and how it moves. It is His life dwelling within us, vibrating forth from us that literally controls our external circumstances. Believers have the same problem with Christ that they have with the demons. Christ is not out there in the sky. He's not detached. He's not floating around and He's not dropping down in front of you to prevent that man from murdering you. Christ is in your mind just like Satan is in your mind. He is vibrating forth just like the demons vibrate forth. It's spiritual, whether it's Christ or the Satanic mind. He dwells within you and depending on the power or the strength or maturity in which He is developed within you, He vibrates forth from you and He controls all your external circumstances. In a condition of great maturity, Christ has the power to vibrate forth from you and literally move a car out of the way that's going to crash into you. Can you believe that He sees it happening before your human eye sees it; that He rises up from the depths of the ship that He's sleeping in? Do you remember that account in the scripture? Jesus was down in the bowels of the ship sleeping on a pillow and the disciples came down and said, how could you be so calm? There's a big storm up there. Jesus said, you don't have any faith. I took care of it before you even saw it. Well, Jesus is down in the bowels of your being. He's asleep on a pillow, but He has sight that goes beyond your sight and He rises up from you. He vibrates forth and He has the power to literally deflect a car that is crashing towards you, to knock the gun out of a hand of a man that's opposing you or to destroy a missile that's coming against you.

But brethren, this is in a certain condition of maturity. Now don't get up and run with this. We have to get to the place where Christ is that developed in us. Even when He's that developed in us, He does not always decide to get up and defend us, depending on what He wants us to learn from the situation. Half of the church doesn't even have this understanding. Then the other half start getting all this spiritual teaching and they put their carnal understanding into it and they get into trouble. We have to walk this line. It's hard for me as a teacher to help you to walk this line. I can only counteract what I'm saying with possibilities that I could think of, but I have no way of knowing what your carnal mind is going to make out of what I'm saying. So that's why it's really important that you give me feedback about what you're thinking, so that if you're thinking something that could be hurting to you (whether you're going to listen to me or not) at least you could hear my input. It's really important that I get the feedback from all of you. Wrong interpretation of what I'm thinking and teaching can hurt you. But of course, all things work for the good of those who love the Lord. But It's up to you. I'll be glad to discuss anything with you that you're thinking about concerning these spiritual things that are coming forth here. They're really not taught anywhere else that I know of. There's no book that you can read. There's no one else that you can go to. The only one besides me is your carnal mind and our greatest enemy is our carnal mind and pride. It's the only enemy that we have. Brethren, I declare to you that Christ is coming forth in each and every one of us and there is nothing that anyone outside of you can do to you that is going to stop Christ from coming forth in you. What can stop Christ from coming forth in you is your own soul rising up and telling you that it's Christ and causing you to enter into a sin and then Jesus has to come against your sin. Jesus will come against sin wherever it is manifesting. If you are called and someone kills you, He will raise you from the dead. There's nothing anyone can do to you to hurt you except your own soul, your own pride and your own sin.

If you are called in this hour and Christ is being formed in you, He's more concerned about the sin in your heart than the sin in the heart of the man that's coming against you. As a matter of fact, He sent the man against you. What for? To see what's in your heart. No one is entering in untested. We are tested in conflict. We are tested in confrontation. The Lord wants to see what's going to manifest and He's literally forcing the sins in our heart to manifest. Some of us know those sins are there and some of us don't. Some of us know we have certain sins and we don't know we have other sins. No one is entering into the kingdom with any sin whatsoever. The purpose of the trials and the conflicts and the confrontations is to expose what's hidden in your heart. Once this happens, Jesus will deal with it. You can go the easy way or you can go the hard way, but He's going to dispose of it one way or another. You can go the short way or you can go the long way. The chances are ninety-nine to one hundred percent (like they use to say about ivory soap) that if you're entering into this realm and you're starting to go through the trials and tribulations, that one of the people that you're going to conflict with, will be me. Ninety-nine and one hundred percent, you're going to have a conflict with me; or whoever your minister is. The Lord wants to see what's manifesting in you and what's manifesting in me. He is going to deal with sin wherever it manifests.

Now brethren, if you decide to defend yourself, whether I have sinned against you or whether I have not sinned against you, when you set up your own defenses, you are manifesting pride. Your only defense is the Lord Jesus Christ. What He requires of us is to live out of Christ, to love, to forgive, and to continue on. If you have set up your own lines of defense, you are manifesting pride. Pride is the most subtle of all spirits. It will manifest in ways that you may or may not recognize and it will bind you up with cords that will cut off the anointing in you. The first thing that happens when this starts to operate in your mind is that, if you are manifesting out of a spirit of pride, you will discern the anointing as your enemy. That's the first thing that happens. You'll say that was a false anointing. Why? Because you're on the opposite side and you think that you're okay. So you discern the other spirit as the enemy spirit. It's the first thing that happens to you. It has to be dealt with because if it isn't dealt with, it gets worse and worse and worse. You cannot walk around manifesting unforgiveness, manifesting rejection and with walls between you and other believers. You can't do it with your mother. You can't do it with your father. You can't do it with other believers and you certainly can't do it with me. You cannot partake of a ministry and reject the minister through whom God is ministering the ministry. You can't do it. I'm telling you what will happen. It's just a matter of time and what will happen is that you will stop receiving the ministry. No matter how much you love the ministry coming forth, if you have set your heart against me, it's countdown time; you're counting down.

The way it works is that you just wake up one morning and you say, gee that doesn't sound right anymore. It's just not a right word. Something is really wrong. God is moving me out of there and maybe, God is moving you out. But don't be deceived; sometimes God moves you out because He makes a judgment that your heart isn't right or that you're not receiving of the ministry. If God moves you out or sometimes He moves you out because of a irreconcilable situation, don't be deceived and don't assume that if He moves you out, it's because you're right. So what I'm saying is that you can't be my enemy and receive of this ministry. You can't reject me. You cannot mistrust me. You cannot have unforgiveness in your heart for me and keep me at arms length and think that you're going to continue to partake of what Jesus is pouring out here; because you can't. You are required to forgive me and to continue in a trusting relationship with me, believing God to take care of any error that I may or may not have made. You cannot set your mind up against me and continue. It's just a matter of time. The Lord will move you out, in His time, in His judgment.

I'm not moving anybody out. All I pray for is your well being, for blessings to fall upon you and for God's mercy and I pray that everyone of us here makes it. That's my prayer. We're suppose to be of one mind and of one accord. What I'm saying to you is that if you're sitting in this meeting and your heart isn't right, the spirituality that Jesus is pouring out, the unity of the spirit that's flowing in this meeting or that the Lord would like to be flowing in this meeting is being interfered with. There's another spirit; there's somebody sitting here and he has walls up and he has defenses around him and it affects the whole ministry that the Lord is pouring out. It can't be. Whether or not God moves you out of here is even besides the issue. It's not that He moves you out of here and you're okay and believe me, I've suffered from this many a time. The Lord has never permitted me to continue because it will hurt you no matter what relationship you're in. It's not the Spirit of God. It's man's way of dealing with problems. God wants us to deal with problems His way, if we want to know the glory of God and live out of Christ.

You see, everything that I just talked about does not exist in Christ. It doesn't exist in Christ. It simply doesn't exist. In Christ is love and forgiveness and yes, righteous judgment. But righteous judgment is quick and clean. It's with the two edged sword of the Lord Jesus Christ. It's not an on-going hostility. It's not God. Whether it's against me or the man in the street or your employer or your parents, it's hurting you. It's not hurting me. It's hurting you. Somewhere along the line, you're going to have deal with it because if that's how you're dealing with the problem that you're having with me, that's how you are dealing with problems that you have with other human beings. This is not a personal issue. We're talking about sin. What you're manifesting is pride. Its cords are reaching out like seaweed under the sea. Pride is the monster that dwells under the sea. He sends out cords of seaweed and he just wraps them around your head until He has you like a mummy. Sometimes the Spirit of God rises up in us and we know what's happening and we can't break free. I know I've experienced this. I've known that I've been bound and I've known that it was pride and I just couldn't get out of it and the Lord has ministered to me. Just rise up in strength and just go on and it will break like that. Just go to the person and tell them that you love them and you'll break it. But you've got to do something. You can't abide in this. You've got to confess it as sin and there's deliverance available to you, if you want it. It has nothing to do with whether or not I sinned against you. It has nothing to do with it. What's manifesting in your heart now is the only issue. If I've sinned against you, God will deal with me. God will deal with me. You don't have to put me in my place. You don't have to put a fence around me. You don't have to mark me off and say untouchable. God will deal with me. Glory to God.

So He wanted me to talk about the things of the Spirit today and the operation of Christ in us. Glory to God. As I said earlier, Christ is spiritual. It doesn't matter whether it's the mind of man or whether it's the mind of Christ. They're both rooted in the mind of man and they're vibrating forth and I have been talking a lot recently about there being no free flying spirits in the atmosphere; that all demons vibrate forth and are rooted in the minds of man. What the Lord asks me to tell you was that when a demon is cast out of a believer or when a man dies, we don't know how long it takes these demons to die and the Lord didn't tell me. All He said was tell the people that you don't know how long it takes for these demons to die. I've been preaching here that they die, that demons are the product of fornication between the spirit of man and the soul of man. So what we are talking about is that they are entities without bodies. Well, what are we? We are the spirit of man and the soul of man dwelling in a body. When the spirit of man fornicates with the soul of man illegally, they're literally producing offspring, but they don't have bodies. They're soul and spirit. So when they're cast out of us or when the man dies, there has to be a separation just like when a human being dies. There's a separation; the soul goes back to the dust and the spirit goes back to the Father from which it has come.

So when these demons find themselves without a body, there has to be a separation that takes place and that is their death. The Lord said, tell the people that you don't know how long it takes them to die. So there is a reality of free flying spirits in the atmosphere, but they're demons that have been severed from their life source and have not yet dissolved. Usually when He does this to me, it's just a matter of weeks before He gives me more information as to what they can do and what they're capable of and how much damage they could do, when they're free flying in the atmosphere, etc. But He said there is such a thing as a free flying demon in the atmosphere under the circumstances that I just described.

Question: This brings back the question I had asked a long time ago when my husband had died. It's possible the demons were doing something. I was saying strange things were happening and we didn't even know he had died. I was wakened out of a sleep and I saw like the devil in front of me. What the devil looked like I don't know, but I felt like it was the devil and something was banging on my window. Then both of my sons said they dreamt about the devil and my daughter said she felt like she feels when she's getting deliverance. She asked me if I was playing a deliverance tape because she felt like she was getting deliverance or something was happening to her. All four of us had some kind of strange reaction and I didn't even know that my husband had died.

Sheila: I've had a similar experience. What we're talking about here is not demons although there's a direct relationship between a personality of a human being that leaves the body. Why? Because the body dies and we're left with a personality. I guess when they get into that condition, a personality without a body, they're in the same condition that a demon is in. It's a personality without a body.

The Lord had taught us well over a year ago, that there is such a thing as a ghost and this is what a ghost is. He said, look at your natural example; when a human body dies, depending upon the circumstances of the climate and the condition of the body, it takes a certain amount of time for the body to deteriorate to the point that only the bones are left and all the flesh is consumed. It could take days or weeks, if it's in a cold climate. So He said that when the body dies and the human personality leaves the body or a demon is cast out of a human being, it could take a period of time for the soul to die. All we know is the scripture says the body dies and the soul dies and the spirit goes back to God. We don't know by earth time how long it takes for the soul to separate from the spirit. I personally had an experience similar to yours. There was a person that I was very close to that I hadn't heard from for awhile and I was waiting to hear from and all of a sudden he just came. As far as I knew he was alive. I had no idea he was dead. He was a young man. He was literally banging on the doors of my mind for three whole days. He was literally trying to get inside of my mind. Here we go again with what I though it meant. I had a spiritual experience that was true, but my understanding, my interpretation of what was happening to me was wrong. I thought I was going to hear from him. I was waiting to hear from him. The last time I had spoken to him, he said I'll be in touch with you, but it will be a few months and I was waiting to hear from him. I interpreted this spiritual experience to mean that the phone was going to ring in the next couple of days. I got a phone call alright; it was somebody that told me that he had died three days before this experience started.

Now I was in God already. Of course, we can have poltergeist experiences once we're in God. I hope we all know that here. As long as any part of our soul man is manifesting, we can have poltergeist experiences. All poltergeist experiences, error, deception, sin, is in the soul. We will be affected, if not afflicted, subject to the possibility of every wickedness that arises up in the soul realm so long as we are soul. We don't stop being soul because we want to stop being soul. We stop being soul when Christ swallows up our soul. There's no way we could speed it up. This is His work. All we could do is submit to Him to the best of our ability. What I'm suggesting to you is that when this man or when your husband died, the body died, but not the personality. Personality is soul attached to spirit. The personality did not die at the same moment that the heart and the brain stopped working in the body. Somehow, if that particular person had a strong desire to reach somebody, we have these ungodly phenomena. I'm not suggesting to you that it's Godly, but we're talking about spiritual things of the personality that had left its body making an effort to reach another human being. It's not God. God doesn't do that. What God told me is that this is what a ghost is. There really is such a thing as ghosts. They are personalities that have very strong wills that are opposed to the fact that God had destroyed their body.

When we die it's the will of God. God is in control of everything. If your body dies, God has said it's alright for your body to die. We have strong personalities in the earth that have said, I refuse to die. The reality of what happens is their body dies because God destroys them, but they will not release. This kind of will is present in your soul. So the soul is literally clinging to the spirit and will not permit this separation. They exist for a season as a personality without a body. This is what a ghost is; they're real. They are usually evil people. If you're a person of God, you say I accept the will of the Lord and you go along with God. These are evil soul people that are either hanging on to this earth realm because of desires for vengeance or some form of strong emotion. Hear this; strong emotion comes from the soul. All emotion comes from the soul. Emotion, almost without exception opposes the will of God. A very strong will and a very strong emotion is the greatest sin we can commit. It's pride and it's opposing the will of God and it is very powerful. I believe the Lord has told me that there are cases in human kind where this manifestation of the will of man can be so strong that it can keep the soul and the spirit together for a season after the body disintegrates. I don't know how long.

Question: Aren't the demons part of the personality and couldn't they be with the soul wherever it's going?

Sheila: Yes, the definition of demons that the Lord has given me is that they are part of the soul and what happens is that there are two ways they can manifest as something apart from the personality. The one instance is if you are a believer and you are now living out of Christ and you recognize a certain aspect of your heart as sin. If you see hatred or rebellion in your heart and you step back and you say, I see you and I don't want you and I call you sin, the Lord marks it off and you become a candidate for deliverance. Paul said, if you don't want to be like that, then it's no longer you, it's sin that dwelleth in you and it has become a demon. The other instance that demons manifest apart from the whole personality, I believe, is when the person is so fallen that their heart is filled with sin. They're living on such a low spiritual realm that there's virtually no manifestation of righteousness in the personality at all resisting. I'm talking about highly demonized people now. The soul just starts producing the fornication between the soul and the spirit and it becomes so intense that it produces so much offspring that it's just overflowing with wickedness and we see demons present there.

Did I make that clear? It's just an overflowing of wickedness. I sought the Lord on this and we know that we have cases of highly demonized people that don't know the Lord at all and we see demons talking out of them. The world knows that. It's documented. I saw a movie once about a deaf and dumb man that was supposed to have murdered several women. He was clinically dumb. He had no vocal cords and couldn't talk. He was heard talking. He would talk to these women. He would go and pick them up and talk to them and then he would murder them. But he couldn't talk any other time. So it was a demon speaking out of him. Those are the two instances that I know of that manifestations of the personality known as demons separate out from the personality. But by and large, our souls are one entity; our personality is one entity. There's much manifesting in that entity that under the right circumstances become demons. Just think of the human body. We look like we're just one entity, but we have all of these organs and we know we have all of this microscopic life in our blood; that's what our personality is.

Question: I'm curious about a situation. A cousin of mine was murdered and while he was still in the coffin; his whole presence came to me while I was sleeping and he was saying, you've got to help me, you've got to help me. Was that his soul? I said, I can't do anything for you. I wasn't saved. Then it left me. Was that his soul or was that his spirit that was trying to come back?

Sheila: Based on the knowledge that the Lord has given me so far, I would say it was the personality that had departed from his body. The personality is the soul and the spirit joined together. This is the way a human being dies. First their body dies, then their personality is left, which is the joined soul and spirit. The next step is that the spirit and the soul has to separate. Then the soul goes back to the dust and the spirit goes back to the Father. Then the dissolution is complete. So apparently, we just can't deny all these things that happen in the world just because they're occultism. They're spiritual and we have to know what's going on. Apparently, it is not uncommon that a personality, after separation from the body, tries to make contact with people.

I have been taught where I was raised up that it was demons coming to you, impersonating that other person. It was just wickedness in the atmosphere or in your own mind just trying to entice you into a relationship, but I don't believe that anymore. I believe it's what I just told you, that this is how a human being dies. The body disintegrates. We don't know how long the soul and spirit stay together, but the next step is the soul and spirit separates and then apparently they both go back to where they came from. We don't know how long that takes. It depends a lot on the person's attitude at the time of the death of their body. I believe that if you're a believer and that you love the Lord and you believe that it's glorious to go to be with the Lord, you're just going to release your life to Him; that that process is going to occur as rapidly as possible and I don't know how fast that is, but that breakdown of body, soul and spirit will happen as rapidly as possible. If you are a person who is lusting for the things of this world, lusting for the love of a man or a woman, lusting for money, lusting for vengeance, lusting for your children, lusting for anything that is important to you in this world, you're not going to want to let go of this world. It's going to take that much longer for the process to occur.

The Lord has shown me that this also happens without your body dying. This also happens in the Spirit of God. For example, the Lord can call someone to a ministry and the anointing of God can be upon that ministry, a ministry or a human being in power, and for whatever reason, if God wants you to go this way and you go the other way, for all intents and purposes, you or that ministry have died. If you won't shut down the ministry, you're literally a ghost standing there. I don't know about you, but I was taught when I was raised up that all of these churches out there, all of these dead churches, that that's what they're called. There's no life in them. There's no move of the Spirit in them. Well there was a move of the Spirit in them. I wasn't raised in the church world and I was very surprised to find out that the Lutheran Church and the Methodist Church and some of these main line churches, that they were alive with the Spirit at one time; alive with the Spirit of God and they're dead today. Well God said, they're ghosts in the natural realm. Those buildings have no right to be standing. The denominations have no right to be standing because God is no longer there. But they're ghosts. They won't give it up. They won't believe that God is not there anymore. So they keep on doing the same thing over and over again. This is what happens with human beings. The body dies and the personality refuses to give up the things of this world and that lust for the things of this world binds them to this world. Glory to God.

Question: When the spirit goes back to the Father, if it's still connected with the soul after the soul leaves the body, does that mean that the spirit could take a long time to go back to the Father, because I thought that it goes back to the Father right away.

Sheila: I don't know how long it takes, but my guess is that it is not immediate, simply because I believe God has given us natural examples to understand spiritual examples. Does anybody have any idea how long it takes for a body to decompose? I think it's got to take a couple of weeks. In a high heat area, it takes a week. One day with the Lord is a thousand years to men. Maybe it takes a thousand years in the realm of the Spirit for that decomposition to take place. I have no idea.

Question: Within the thought of multiple incarnations, was thinking that the body goes right back to the Father and then it comes right back through another body.

Sheila: Well I don't know that I would agree with that. I think the way the Lord has shown it to me is that the spirit goes ahead of the death of the body. In other words, when you have offspring, your spirit is already in your offspring. God has prepared your next incarnation before that lifetime comes to an end. It's prepared before you die in your offspring. Your spirit is living in your offspring. Now remember the personality is not resurrected. It's not going to be your personality that's going to live again. It's your spiritual substance or your spiritual life which is in your offspring. It's already living. If I were to die today, I'm already living in my daughter, the human spirit which is of Christ. The only thing that's resurrected is that which is within us, which is of Christ. That's the only thing that's resurrected.

Question: What part is going back to the Lord if a part of it is going back to the Father.

Sheila: Maybe I shouldn't have said the Father. The scripture says we're gathered to our fathers; not Father God, but our original ancestor, which is Christ the spiritual Son of God that was buried in the earth from the beginning of time. Where is he? He's still in the earth living in the vessels that are alive in the earth. That's where he is and who's overcoming, but Christ in the earth is overcoming. We are returned to the Spirit of God that's flowing through the earth whose God's intention it is shall overcome and rule the earth and dwell in the earth for the life of the ages. In other words our human spirit is not flying off into the atmosphere somewhere. It's going right back into the spirit that's in the earth. Why? Because God has ordained that the spirit of His son shall overcome the earth of the soul and rule in the earth. We're not flying off to the realm of the spirit somewhere. Did I explain it?

Question: With that thought, you're saying that we go back to the Father. I thought that you meant that if I left this body, my spirit would go back to the Father and it would come back through a body. But you're saying that it happens through offspring, so now I'm thinking that my spirit goes to the Father in conception and comes back, but I don't come back when I die.

Sheila: Right, your personality is not resurrected. The scripture is he was gathered to his fathers. The scriptures that talk about the patriarchs that died, the way it's expressed in the scripture is they were gathered to their fathers, their original ancestor. Our father is Jesus Christ and where is Jesus Christ? He's in the earth dwelling in the vessels that are still alive. He's in the earth and He's going to remain in the earth and He's going to overcome the earth of our souls and He's going to rule in the earth for the life of the ages. He's not out in the atmosphere. He's in the earth. So when a particular vessel dies, that part of that vessel which is

Jesus Christ will remain in the earth. You see, it's the exact opposite of what the carnal mind would think. The carnal mind would think that it flies away to the sky.

Question: I understand that you say that Christ wants to appear and that He wants offspring. He wants multiplication, right?

Sheila: Let me try and answer your question. If this isn't the answer, I'll let you ask me another one, okay? What I think your problem is is this. In the realm of the spirit, there's no time or space. When we have offspring, our spirit has already been imparted to another human being, that my daughter and I are sharing. We're of the same spirit. We're also of the same soul. Her soul is very attached to mine. Yes, she has her own and I have my own, but there's a constant mixing there. When and if I die, what is left of my spirit is in her. All of my spirit is now in her.

Question: Is this why the people in the Old Testament felt that it was so important to have a child like the one lady in scripture who had a child by her father-in-law because she felt it was so important to have a child, even the child of a dead person?

Sheila: I believe that this is the revelation that they moved in. The people of the Old testament had this revelation. I mentioned it here before that there is a scripture in one of the books of Kings where it talks about a man who I believe had 12 sons and the scripture says the 12 sons went out to battle and they were all killed. Now check out the pronoun. The scripture says and all of his sons were killed and he died; not that his sons died, but he died. The implication is it was just a matter of time that this man died and he would be no more. In the realm of the soul, everything is the opposite of the realm of the spirit. We do not fly away into the realm of the spirit and then get born again. Our new life is already born through our offspring. Whether it was with the kind of understanding that we have

or whether it was just an inherent understanding, we see people from past generations just having it built into them, about how important it is to have children. I watched movies about other cultures and they'll make statements like the next generation is the future. They're our future. So they had some revelation of this. This is the future of the human race living in the next generation. But our society is so perverse and the roles are so perverse that more and more people don't even want their children.

Question: Suppose you don't have children; where does your spirit go if you don't have offspring?

Sheila: I've been asked that question before and I don't believe I have the whole answer. I pray that God gives it to me. The only thing that I could tell you now and I don't really understand it completely, is that there is a reality of family. If you have a brother or sister that have children, perhaps through them, but I'm really not one hundred percent sure. As soon as I hear from the Lord, I'll pass it on to you.

Question: I feel like that's so because in scripture when the brother had no children, the wife would marry the brother and they would have a child for that brother. It seems like the spirit of that dead husband must have gone into that child.

Sheila: I found out something recently that I really didn't even know. I read it in the Old Testament. When this situation occurred, if a man died without having produced children and his brother married the woman, I knew that the first child was the brother's, but I didn't know that the first child took the brother's name. Of course, the last name is the same, but if you would read genealogies, it would say, for instance; let's say there were two brothers, Joe and John, and Joe got married and he died and John gave his wife a child. If you would read the genealogy, it would say James was born, son of Joe. It didn't say son of John. John, his brother, was the one that had intercourse with the woman that produced the child, but in the genealogy it does not say son of John; it says son of Joe. As the genealogy goes down, Joe produced a child. To some degree, there has to be the same spirit in two brothers. So it does flow in families. I don't have all the answers, but it works something like that. You're absolutely right that they had this revelation that you had to have a son to continue in the earth. In the last generation, in the hour that Jesus Christ appears, the souls that are in existence then; they're the ones that are going to be glorified. There is such a thing as being cut off from the earth. It's a curse of God. If your family line comes to an end, it's a curse of God. It does happen that whole families are wiped out. Curses of barrenness come upon families and it's a curse of God. It's usually witchcraft and idolatry that has been so intense that God doesn't let your family line continue.

Now I don't understand completely because I know as well as you do that everyone of us goes back to Noah, which goes back to Seth, which goes back to Adam and Eve. But somewhere along the line, God had broken us down into family lines and I don't know where that line is. But in this hour we are in different family groupings and God will cut off whole families through barrenness or through death. That family is not cut off so long as there's any offspring at all, so long as there's any spiritual offspring that's available to handle the land. What land? The land of the soul. Now remember God has promised His Son, Jesus Christ, that He will inherit the land. He's promised Him a soul and a body in that day that Jesus Christ stands up and appears in men. There will be personalities that are alive in the generation that Christ stands up and gives the life of the ages to. Yes it's true, these personalities never lived before, but the spirit that's living in that personality is the spirit that goes all the way back to the beginning of that family line. It's really tough. Don't get upset over anything. God is going to minister it to you, if you're not receiving it. It's so glorious. If something happens to your body, if you don't receive the life of the ages in this lifetime, you're spiritual substance shall be glorified. It shall be glorified. If it's ten generations down the line; it's you. If you can't understand that, God will minister it to you. It took me a while, I'm admitting to you. But I have a revelation of it now. I'm not this personality; I'm not this body. I am the spiritual life of Christ that was propelled into the earth at the beginning of time and I shall live for the life of the ages in whatever body and personality God gives me. It's not important. What this personality and this body is, is a garment that my spiritual life is wearing.

Question: Looking at what Jesus Christ did, His example, when we come into the fullness, we're going to be like Him, right? He lived His whole life up to 33 and did what He did; miracles, healing and the raising of the dead and all that and then He died and He rose again. He had no family. He didn't show it as an example that He was going to show everlasting life through His offspring, but He rose again. That was it. That was resurrection.

Sheila: Just let me get my thoughts together. I have the answer in my heart. I just have to get it into words. Jesus Christ of Nazareth; His body was killed and He rose again as a Spirit. He now has a new body and a new soul and it's yours and it's me. Can you hear this? Jesus Christ of Nazareth was a man and the Spirit that dwelt in Him was the Logos, the Spirit of Almighty God, that had a coat on. The name of that coat was Jesus Christ of Nazareth. But His true substance was the spiritual life that was revealed on the Mount of Transfiguration and that body died. What we know is the Spirit that was within Him rose again and showed Himself at several times in the form of the man, Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

The lady just said that His body never disintegrated. Oh God, help me to explain this. There was a spirit inside of the man, Jesus Christ of Nazareth. When His body hung on the cross, that spirit was joined to the soul of man. It was joined to the soul of man under great pressure by the power of Almighty God. All of the atoms that His soul and body was made of was formed into a new man, the creation of God, a spiritual man that was not Jesus Christ of Nazareth. It was much greater than Jesus Christ of Nazareth. He had become a spiritual entity, the creation of God. Of the twain, He made one new man. He's a spiritual being that had the power to take the form of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, but I remind you that He walked on the road to Emmaus with His disciples and they didn't know who He was. He obviously took the form of a man because they talked to Him and they said, stranger, don't you know what happened in Jerusalem in these past days? The Lord was crucified and we thought He was the Savior of Israel and they killed Him. Here they are talking to someone who looks like a human being and they had no idea He was Jesus Christ. So you see the spiritual life inside of Him rose again, took the form of a human being that they didn't recognize as Jesus Christ. In another account the apostles came out of the water and they said they saw a man up on the shore and He was baking bread and cooking fish and they said to each other, it must be the Lord. They perceived it was the Lord, but He didn't look like Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Why would they have said it must be the Lord? They spiritually perceived it was the Lord, but He did not take the form of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. He rose as a spiritual entity that had the power to take the form of any man He wanted to. Can you hear that?

Question: This isn't clear to me because He rose again and His body changed. That's what I'm getting. His body changed. Corruption never touched Him and He rose again as a Spirit. I hear what you're saying, but I'm also putting it with what I got from the scriptures. I'm getting that His body changed and maybe they didn't recognize Him. His body never corrupted, so He did rise up out of there and come out of there and the angel rolled the stone back and He walked out of that grave.

Sheila: Right, but He was no longer the man, Jesus Christ of Nazareth. He was God.

Question: I can understand somewhat what you're saying, but He died and He resurrected.

Sheila: His body was crucified. The spiritual life that was inside of Him was converted into a new life form. He was joined to the natural man by supernatural power. This Logos, the Spirit of Almighty God, was fused together with the Spirit of the living soul and somewhere in that process, His body was absorbed. But He rose, not as the man Jesus Christ of Nazareth. I can't give you all the details. All of the atoms were broken down, of His soul and of His body and fused together with the Spirit of Almighty God and He came up with a new substance, the creation of God; the son of man and the Son of God in spiritual form. The glorified creation, not a Christ walking in a vile human body, but the glorified creation that God prophesied in Genesis 1; let us make man in our likeness and in our image. He became a spiritual being, a spiritual being that could take the form of human beings.

Question: My thought is that He died and His body laid there and His Spirit was out of His body, but He did whatever He did in three days and He came back into His body and glorified His body.

Sheila: I don't see it that way. I don't have all the details, but I don't see it that way. His body was exposed to the great power and pressure of the Spirit of Almighty God and His atoms were broken down and He was converted into a new form of man. His flesh was no longer the vile flesh that we have. He was formed into a new man; of the twain He made one new man, of the spiritual man. Now you're two men. You're a soul man and you're a spiritual man. Of the twain He made one new man. He rose again a totally new entity; not the man Jesus Christ of Nazareth, but the man, the Son of God. The spiritual Christ had obtained the soul that the Lord had sent Him to obtain. Now He's dwelling in many bodies. He's dwelling in your body and in your body and in your body and in my body. The living Christ is inside of us and He's going to crucify our souls and He's going to do the same thing that happened to Jesus Christ of Nazareth on the cross and He's going to stand up and appear in us. This body is going to disappear and we're going to get a glorious body. He's going to rise from the dead in you. This vile body that you're living in is going to disappear and you're going to have a glorified body; the same thing that happened to him. Sure He did, Jesus had a vile body. He was a man. He was born of a woman. He said that no man could take my life, but I lay it down. Yes, His body was destructible in that condition, before glorification. It was a body just like ours. He got it from the house of David. It was corruptible except for the fact that it was preserved by the indwelling Christ. That's why He said no man can kill me; I have to give them permission to do it. Because if they tried to kill Him, just like in the Garden of Gethsemane, His Spirit would have vibrated forth. If you watch Star Trek, his gun was just on stun. He could have electrocuted them. I think that I hear you saying that He rose again and He took His same body back.

Question: He went back into His body and He changed His body there when He came out of the grave?

Sheila: I really don't think that it's really that important. As long as we're both in agreement that He rose again and He became a new form of man that was no longer in a vile body. He was now pure Spirit with the ability to take the form of man. If you could leave it at that. I don't have all the answers. You still look confused. If you could just receive that He rose again and He was no longer the Logos of God in a human body, but He was now pure Spirit; the first of the creation of God, the first of the glorified beings that God intends for all of us to be, who is no longer living in a vile body, but in a glorified body. Now He is pouring Himself out from the realm of the Spirit upon all flesh and He's dwelling in everybody who has His Spirit, in the same way that He dwelt in the man, Jesus Christ of Nazareth and He's overcoming our souls, who are waging war against Him. In the hour that He completes the work, He is going to overcome each of our souls, nail Himself to it, and rise from the dead in you and in me and in due season, our bodies shall change just like His changed. We shall have glorified bodies. Can you live with that awhile? Okay!

Question: I thought of it as ourselves. Are we going to have the power to do that, that Christ within us is going to glorify our bodies. But He did it. He overcame it. So He has the power within us now by His Spirit so that we can do that.

Sheila: I don't quite see it that way. I believe He's doing it in us and one of the biggest problems with believers and I've preached this before, is that they think they have this power. It's my opinion that they don't. I just seem to get weaker everyday. He's just hammering me into the ground. I'm just crushed. The more crushed I am, the more He's living His will through me. I don't believe we have the power to do anything. I think that a lot of believers get very upset if they hear it. A lot of them don't even hear it, but life as we now know it is going to be totally destroyed. It is going to be His will living out through us and we will just do what we're told. But being in this condition sounds so horrible to some people, to be so totally controlled, but we've got to come up out of the carnal mind. Being in that condition will be more glorious and greater than the very best that any human being has ever accomplished. I've preached this before. Go to the library and look up someone you admire, and then understand that your life totally controlled by Christ will be greater than that. It's just that the carnal mind can't conceive of that when natural man puts someone into slavery. No one wants to be controlled. Everyone and including myself has a fear of being controlled. I heard about you being strapped down taking those x-rays. I think if anyone strapped me down, I'd be very agitated. Nobody wants that, but being controlled by Christ is glorious.

This is something that man has trouble understanding, including me, but I have a revelation of it, so I walk with it. But we're going to be totally consumed by His life. We're going to be worn like an overcoat. We're going to be His servant. He's going to be our very mind and He's going to live His life through us. If you look back on society from years ago, the way women used to be in relationship to men, women today look at it with horror. Women had no lives at all. They lived for their husbands. They shopped, they cooked, they cleaned, they bore and they raised the children and the only glory they had was the success of their husband. They used to wait on these men; shine their shoes and did everything they could that their husband should be a success because if their husband was a success, they were a success. It was their only chance of being a success, that their husband should be successful and prestigious. We modern women look upon that and we say how horrible. I watch the talk shows on TV and I see these women up there saying I was a vegetable, I had no life of my own, I lived through my husband and how horrible and damaging it was to my mind. Well maybe it was damaging to their mind, but when Christ does it, it's not going to be damaging to your mind. It's going to give life to you. It's going to give life to your soul because right now your soul is dead. He who lives in darkness is dead and your soul is death and your soul shall be death until it is swallowed up by Christ and He's ruling through every aspect of it.

Question: The spirit that's in us of God, when it goes back to the Father, is that a mature spirit or the Spirit of Christ? Or only as far as we've gotten with Christ maturing in us, that goes back to the Father?

Sheila: As I understand it, our spirit lives again in our offspring. Even though it may be hard to see that when we look at our children today. We're all laughing. I'm laughing for all of us here. It seems so impossible, but somehow, by some miracle of God that potential is transferred into our children. I'm sure that all of us here have heard of a situation of the most rebellious horrendous children who when they are forty or fifty years old, they're called into the ministry. So they can go for thirty or forty years of rebelling against what their parents taught them or rebelling against everything that their parents are or were and then at forty or fifty years old, a change takes place. One testimony I heard was of my very own teacher that was driving along in his car and God got him by the back of his neck. There was salvation on his family line for several generations. He was in church since he was a little boy. Both of his parents were born again, praying for him all of these years. God got him by the back of his neck in his late thirties, dragged him out of the car and got him down on his knees. He was a wild rebellious mad man, jumping on top of cars, beating people up, drinking, throwing garbage cans through windows. That's his own testimony and God put him in the ministry. So somehow what I'm saying is that I don't understand how God does it, but apparently when He starts to bring forth salvation on a family line, even though it's hard to see, that seed is passed through to the next generation and He prospers it.

We know that one can plant and one can water, but only Jesus Christ can bring forth the increase. I don't understand it, but that's how it works. If you look at a lot of families with salvation on the family line for several generations, it's not necessarily in every offspring, but there's at least one child. If you have ten children, at least one child is carrying that holy seed, usually. You see it coming up in at least one, if not more than one. It just seems to transfer somehow. The way God showed it to me at one time was it could be all of them or one of them. You're the only one out of twelve. Well you're the first generation with salvation on your family. Your whole family was into witchcraft and occultism. Well, in my family too; I'm the first one. There was heavy witchcraft on my background and I'm the first one. But in the coming generations you'll see more and more. There was a whole family in that church that I was raised up in and they invited me to a family party and they were all there with the grandparents and six kids and a hundred grandchildren and aunts and uncles and they were all saved. They were all called; I shouldn't say saved. They were all living a life of some measure in Christ. I said, oh my goodness, I'm the only one in my whole family plus I've been persecuted by my family because of it, but look at this. Then I found out that salvation was going back four generations in that family. It's got to start somewhere. If you're the first one, you're lonely, but you can rest assured that in the next several generations they'll be a harvest of salvation on your family line. I believe it with every ounce of strength in my body that it grows once the seed comes forth in a line. Nothing could stop it. Of course, Satan tries to destroy our children and wipe out our family line. But I'll tell you, it'll come forth.

As I think I told all of you, I was really blessed last week. I got a phone call from my daughter who has utterly rejected everything I believe in and she was in the church with me for five years. She rejected most of it and she just called me up and said, hi mom, I just happened to be reading the bible and I went "huh". She said, my father and I were discussing this and we have some questions for you. Her father is not with the Lord, either. So I'm just sitting there holding on to the telephone, not even believing what I'm hearing and she proceeded to ask me questions that were so deep and the answers were teachings that were coming forth in this ministry. So there is a tie between she and I. She's living in Florida for three years and we had a falling out. There was no connection for three years. God had brought a reconciliation just three or four months ago and here she is reading her bible and asking me questions as if she was sitting right here in these meetings. Now you explain that to me. So what I'm trying to say is that God has shown me there is no time or space in the realm of the Spirit. If you are exposing yourself to this kind of ministry, your children are exposed to this kind of ministry. It may not manifest for fifty years. It may not manifest until the next generation, but don't you give up hope because if it's entering into your heart, it's entering into the hearts of your children. Don't give up hope. It must appear because you are planting and you are watering and God must give the increase. He must and why would He not want to?

Somehow it gets on that family line and the Lord has shown me these family line soul ties as a circle. Just for example, let's say we're a natural relative; there's a line like in an atom and it just goes between the two of us. So what's in you comes into me and what's in me comes into you and it just goes round and round and round. If this is existing between a person that has Christ in them and a person that doesn't have Christ in them, you better believe that you are not picking up the pollution of your relative, but that your relative is receiving the glory of Christ. When two people that don't have Christ enter into a soul tie, think of it as an atom. There's a circle and it's just flowing like this between your soul and my soul. I'm getting your garbage and you're getting my garbage. That's one of the reasons the scriptures are so against fornication. Every time you fornicate with somebody and it doesn't even have to be physical fornication; if you enter into a deep soul tie with somebody, you have imparted to them every curse on your family line and they have imparted to you every curse in the realm of the soul. If it's physical fornication, it imparts every physical curse. But if one of these people have Christ, remember that Christ cannot be polluted by the harlot of your soul. Christ will not receive the filth of your soul, but the soul or the harlot in the other person shall receive the life of Jesus Christ. It may not manifest in them. It may be in their offspring, but it shall manifest without a question of a doubt.

We had somebody say how could you fellowship with these people on this low spiritual realm? Brethren, we have to fellowship with these people on this low spiritual realm unless you're in a place where God is dealing with you and they're upsetting you so much that you're not doing them any good anyway. But as we mature in Christ, we must fellowship with the people on the lowest spiritual realm, filled with filth from the top of their head to the bottom of their toes. When I talk to you, if you are the lowest human being that ever lived on the face of the earth, when I have an exchange of ideas with you, when I hear what you say and compassion rises up in me for you, that circle is going around between us and brethren, I'm not receiving your filth, but you are receiving of the life of Almighty God. It's going to raise you up out of the mud and out of the muck and it's going to restore you to fellowship with God. We must fellowship with these people. You don't subject yourself to them. There's a difference now. You don't submit to them. You don't submit to their counsel. You don't submit to their ministry. You don't submit to their sin. But you could talk to them and you could listen to their problems and you could cry for them and brethren, it's going to raise them up out of the depths of the pit.

Question: What you were saying about our families receiving what we're receiving when we are in the ministry is true. I have that testimony with my son. I was talking to him and he was telling me all these things that I'm learning and he never reads the bible or listens to a tape. I've never talked to him about these things.

Sheila: You're one soul and I guess one spirit tie. I tell you I don't have all the answers. But you're one; you're one flesh, especially in an immediate family; husband, wife and children. In an immediate family, you're one flesh. Brethren, this is another example of why we must not abandon our natural families. I know there are scriptures that could sound like that's what Jesus is teaching, but I declare to you that's not what He is teaching. When He hung on the cross, He took care of His mother. It was one of His last words. He said to John, take care of my mother; that same man that said that's not my mother out there. Remember that account? The disciples came to Him and said, your mother and your brethren are outside and Jesus said, they're not my mother and my brethren; these, the ones I'm ministering to, they're my mother and my brethren. So some people in the church have picked this up and said now we're the body of Christ and you're to abandon your natural family and go with the body of Christ.

Brethren, He was making a point. You have to read all the surrounding scriptures. You have to get a revelation from God as to what He meant. Obviously, He did not mean that He wanted nothing to do with them because on the cross, His last words were to provide for His mother. Not only did He provide for His mother, but His very good friend received the charge and she lived in that friend's house until the day she died. One thing that we've learned here is that you can't just pick out an isolated scripture. You've got to read these scriptures with revelation. I find that the scriptures are just filled with sentences and words that don't mean what they sound like. When I first started reading the bible in the book of Judges, I couldn't understand it. I read the account in the book of Judges about the Levi priests that was breaking all the rules and ministering in a private house to a private family and they had idols there. I'm reading the book of Judges and saying I don't understand this. I thought you weren't allowed to have an idol and I'm sitting there scratching my head. I never heard of a priest ministering to a private family. It never occurred to me that the bible was describing an extremely sinful situation. I thought that everything in the bible was good. Then I started to find out that the bible is the story of human nature. Then I found out that both Abraham and Isaac turned their wives over to Pharaoh. Can you imagine that? You can go to bed with my wife, just don't kill me. Abraham and Isaac said take my wife. We found out that Jacob was a fake; the patriarch of the twelve tribes. He was a crook. His name means usurper. He was an ungodly man. So the bible is the history of our human nature; that human nature that must be destroyed and swallowed up by Christ. That's why the Lord has so much mercy upon us.

Now don't get me wrong, He will judge sin, but He has mercy on us because He knows that we're but dust and that this is our condition and that we can resist to some measure. We can resist in our behavior, but we cannot resist in our mind without the power of Jesus Christ. Sometimes, even with the power of Jesus Christ I can't resist because I'm not there yet. There's a lot of sins that I'm aware of that are manifesting in my mind and in my personality and I don't like it one little bit. I resist it at every turn with all the strength that I have, but it's there until the Lord swallows it up; it's there. I am what I am and you're what you are, but the Lord expects us to resist, to come for deliverance, to at least acknowledge in our own mind and rebuke it because it is sin. But it's there; we are what we are. We're waiting for Him to appear in us. Can you imagine this; moral resurrection, righteousness in your mind? How glorious! Can you imagine walking down the street and Christ vibrating forth from you as a force field and nothing can touch you? No disease can touch you; no ungodly thought can seduce you; no bullet can hit you; no man no matter how vicious or violent can harm you; can you imagine this? Walking down the street with Christ vibrating forth from you with such power that beggars lying on the street stand up and start walking? I know there are some people in this ministry that are starting to experience a new form of the ministry of Jesus Christ. We don't have to do anything. How humbling for our pride. We don't have to lay hands on anybody. You don't have to say a word. You don't have to pray in tongues. Just stand there and He vibrates forth and does what He wants to do. Does it make you feel useless? Brethren, it's His work; it's His work. The only glory for you in it is that He is your husband. There's no glory personally. The sooner we give up that desire for personal glory and personal ministry, the sooner He's going to manifest in power through us and permit us to partake of His glory, to be there when He's doing it. How exciting!

But brethren, it's not going to happen with sin in our hearts. All rule, power and principality must be put under the feet of the Christ in us if you want to really enter into these deep realms of the spirit. You've got to be on your way in this process of destroying your own soul, being a partner with Jesus Christ and living only through Him. He has been ministering to me lately, brethren, there is nothing about my life that is of any consequence. He knows that I need food and clothing, but my own needs are of absolute no consequence, except to the extent that He wants to keep me alive because He has decided that I'm one of the vessels that He's going to manifest through, thank God. My needs are totally unimportant to Him. He has one thought in mind and that is His mind towards the human race and the extent of that program through which He has judged He will manifest through me. He's going to keep me alive. He's going to feed me and give me a place to live because He's picked me in this hour. But my immediate needs are of no consequence to Him. What I think I need is of no consequence to Him. I did not think that I needed Him to take my daughter out of my house, but He had another plan, you see. I got hurt and He had mercy on me and He healed me, but He did what He was going to do. This ministry, to the extent that it's my whole life is of no consequence to Him.

Brethren, if He took every last one of you out of here, He's still dwelling inside of me and He's going to use this vessel. He's not going to waste anything and He's not going to waste the work that He's done in me. So if tomorrow He decides to shut down this ministry, it is inconsequential that I will cry. I have put a great deal of my soul and effort and time into this, but that's not what He's concerned about. He is doing a work through me and if He decides to increase this ministry by twenty-five people tomorrow; that's because He's made that judgment, totally separated and apart from my desires, will or needs. If He decides to shut it down tomorrow because He has determined to do another kind of work through me; it had nothing whatsoever to do with what I've done or what I feel. I have to go with my husband wherever He goes and partake of Him in whatever He calls me to partake of Him in. I heard another preacher once who was really upset. God was really diminishing his ministry and he was up there in the pulpit and he was saying; you don't understand, this is my whole life's work. I've got a flash for you, brother, it doesn't matter. Our personal needs don't matter. When God calls you into this realm of the Spirit that's being preached in this ministry, you drop everything and you go. One of two things can happen to you; He can force you to drop it and take you or He can drop you. Nothing matters to God except that He's keeping me alive because I'll die if He doesn't feed me and meet my immediate needs.

He doesn't care that I don't have a husband. He doesn't care that at the moment I may think I have money problems, which I don't. It's just my carnal mind. He doesn't care that my daughter is thousands of miles away. He doesn't care. Now don't get me wrong. It's not that He doesn't care as a carnal man doesn't care. He cares as a strong loving husband who's doing His thing and I have to go along with it and that's it. Either I go with my husband or I don't. That will affect the measure of grace in my life. The more my soul resists my husband, the more grief I have in my life. The more I submit to Him, the more peace I have in my life. This is what it's coming down to. Paul said that he was a bondman in chains and He clearly said that Jesus Christ was his chain. Brethren, I declare to you that either Jesus Christ is your chain or Satan is your chain. There is no free man on the face of this earth. You may have been ruled by Satan for so many years that you think you're free, but you're not free. You're either ruled by the mind of Christ or you're ruled by the mind of Satan. You are not free. You're not free. You are somebody's servant; either Christ or Satan. This is the hour of His reaching out for us. If you're in a ministry like this, the chances are He is reaching out for you real hard. The time is coming real soon that He's going to be reaching out for all men and all rule, will and principality, our own will, shall be put down.

Brethren, I declare to you, no matter how badly you want something, no matter how badly you think you need something; if He's not in agreement with you, it's gone. Start counting down, count down, because it's gone. I also declare to you, if He has determined that you are to have it, there is no voice, no voice on this earth that could take it from you; no witchcraft power, no man, no false prophesy. Nobody can take it from you if He's determined you're to have it. This is the hour of His reaching out for us. He's calling to us to lay down our own wills and submit to Him and it's a very hard thing to do. But He's going to bring us through with much love and much tribulation. We enter into the kingdom by much tribulation. Glory to God. But eye hath not seen and ear hath not heard what the Lord has in store for us. I tell you, brethren, He's got me to a point where I just live for the manifestation of His Spirit. I have experienced some intense manifestations of His Spirit through me and He doesn't do it nearly frequently enough, as far as I'm concerned. It's glorious to have Him manifesting through you in such strength. There's no fear. There's absolute fearlessness; absolute fearlessness. I don't want to say this in the wrong way. There's an ungodly lust for power. Natural man has an ungodly lust for power that is rooted in pride that the Lord will put down. That will tell you there is power in Christ. Now He's going to have to break your pride before He's going to let you enter into this. He's not going to permit any ungodly lust for power to lay hold of His power and use it, but I'll tell you there is power in Christ.

When you see every problem falling down in front of you; when you stand up and you see people that are doing unrighteousness and you see them back off with fear in their eyes, I'll tell you, it's glorious. We're going out to deliver the bound people of the earth. I was upstate last night and as I drove in this morning, I stopped off at the bagel store for a bite to eat and there was a man standing there who was buying a bagel. He was a really well dressed man. He had an expensive pair of casual pants on and a nice shirt and he was kidding around with the young woman behind the counter. He just looked so prosperous. This man was in his early thirties. The Lord just said to me, look at him, and He brought to my mind a picture of a young black man, either in his late twenties or early thirties. It just came before my mind as a vision. He was making a purchase with a whole different look on his face, with the tormented look of a person tormented in their soul and an aggressiveness rising up in him. The world would look at this man and say isn't he a nice refined man and the world would look at this other young man and say what a low class person he is. The Lord said to me, this guy standing up there buying that bagel, he would be in the same condition if he had experienced the things that this other man had experienced. What He said to me was, when you see somebody that's obnoxious to society, that has no manners, that the poison is just pouring out of them, the hate and the wickedness; He said they have been wounded in their souls beyond their ability to endure it. The poison is just pouring out of them.

Now society without God has no alternative, but to deal with these people. This is black or white; I know God just showed me a black man, whoever falls into this category. Society, not only has no alternative, but according to the will of the Lord, you are suppose to deal with these people under the law. You cannot damage society. If you break the law, you've got to receive the recompense. But there's no help for them, you see, because their souls are damaged. You lock them up, but their souls are damaged and there's no hope for them but the ministry of Jesus Christ. Brethren, that's what we're called to. But Christ has to be formed in us first, to a certain measure before we're going to be able to do this. The ministry to these people, brethren, is going to be through compassion. The hard judgment of the law. When we can look at them, the societal rejects and look past their obnoxious exterior, their dirty clothes, their smelly bodies, their spittle hanging out of their mouth; when we can look at them and say my God, what happened to them to make them like that? They weren't born like that. Nobody is born like that. When we can look past it with the mind of Christ and cry for them, there's going to be deliverance for them. Those that won't respond to that, judgment will fall upon them, but deliverance will come. Deliverance will come. But you can't enter into this ministry if you can't cry for them. If you're condemning them in any manner, shape or form, you are not qualified to minister to these people in your present condition. You must change. So you're sitting in a ministry like this. You're subjecting yourself to the ministry. You're getting deliverance and your mind is being converted and elevated and you're being brought to a place where you're going to be so obedient to Christ and His love is going to be so flowing through you that you will be able to cry for these people. Deliverance will come through your compassion. Remember the teaching on the difference between phileo love and agape love? Phileo love produces sympathy, which does not include reconstruction. Agape love includes compassion which sets up that soul tie, sets up that circle flowing between the two of you and he starts partaking of the spiritual life in you. When that spiritual life that's in you gets inside of him, it will raise him up from within his very own being. That's the ministry that we're entering into. It's glorious, brethren, but we're not entering in without the judgment of our own souls; no way, no way, no way. Forget it. Forget it. With much tribulation we shall enter into the kingdom. I think it's worth it and I've been through a lot. Any more questions before we end this?

Prophesy coming forth in tongues from Pastor VItale:

Yeah, saith the Lord, indeed the hour of my reaching out for you is at hand. Yeah, saith God, I shall burn your hedge, but I say unto you, daughter of God, thou must rise up and overcome, saith the Lord. I shall not carry thee as an infant any longer, saith God. Indeed, if thou not riseth up and overcome when I make the way, when I burn the hedge, when I open the door. If thou still idolizes this man, saith the Lord, indeed I shall set him against thee, saith God. I shall reveal his true nature to you saith the Lord and he shall attack you and he shall eat your flesh and thou shall see the truth of who's manifesting in him, saith God, and thou shall weep.