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LIVING EPISTLES MINISTRIES
MESSAGE #398
MICHAEL
Questions & Comments
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MICHAEL
Questions & Comments
COMMENT: When you were talking you mentioned the word veil, and I got a
quick flash in my mind of the saying that I heard years ago, the baby was born
with a veil over their face. Is that some kind of witchcraft?
PASTOR VITALE: Well that is what superstition says, I don't know. Some people say it's
good luck and some people say it is a curse. It is the placenta that comes out over
the baby's head.
COMMENT: That's what they call the veil?
PASTOR VITALE: Yes
COMMENT: And you said something else before, you said the firmament in our
mind is the veil.
PASTOR VITALE: Oh, did I say that. If I said that I didn't know that I said it. Either it
was the Lord in your mind or it was the Lord coming out of my mouth. The
firmament is the veil. Well, I don't know about that. The firmament may be the
veil that separates us from the world above, but this world below is partitioned.
There is a spiritual world below the firmament that we cannot see, well both
worlds are piercing through. The world from above the firmament is piercing
through into this world, and the invisible world beneath the firmament is piercing
through into this world, and I have no problem with your seeing as the penetration
of a virgin because that's what the Lord has shown me that it is, and that when the
serpent connects through Satan that it is a marriage. Our hope is that we shall
marry Michael from above, the first and last Adam. The first Adam is beneath
the firmament, and the last Adam is above the firmament so the first Adam is
rising from the dead in us, and our hope is that he will rise within us, dominate
our sin nature, and then marry Michael who is above. That is our restoration to
the world above, our marriage to Michael.
COMMENT: So then is the groom Michael?
PASTOR VITALE: Mary, that is a good question. I have this before the Lord, and I am
waiting for a lot of answers. I've gotten a couple of them. That's what it looks
like. I am a little confused at this point as to our connection with Jesus. I am
waiting for the clarification. This is my understand, that Jesus is the sacrifice for
sin. His faithful ascension, his deliverance from this world has sanctified the
whole world, has made the whole world eligible for the same experience. Jesus'
glorification has made the whole world eligible for glorification through faith in
Jesus Christ. He is God. Beyond that since the Lord has given us this revelation
of Michael I have a lot of unanswered questions in my mind. I see in Revelation
12 that Michael and His angels are fighting the dragon and his angels. Also, I
remind you that the Lord has shown us that the Holy Spirit is not the spirit of
Jesus Christ because the Holy Spirit hovered over Mary, and there was no spirit
of Jesus Christ at that time. So, who is the Holy Spirit? Is it Michael? Or is it Elohim? I am not really sure. We are talking about the seed. The seed that has
to be engrafted to us. Jesus said that the Word of God is the seed. I said, well
Lord if the Holy Spirit is coming down and connecting with our human spirit
where is the seed in all this? I have an answer to that which sounds right. You
may recall me telling you that when we study the Old Testament prophets the
angel came to Daniel, for example, and touched a lock of his hair. I don't believe
it was his natural hair, but that's what the scripture says, and if you recall the
teaching when the angel comes he has to wound Leviathan and connect with the
man's human spirit. So for all intents and purposes for the Hebrew prophets to
get these deep prophecies that they got the carnal mind is knocked cold, and
Adam is temporarily raised from the dead. It is a temporary full stature that the
man comes into so whoever can receive the revelation. This is what I'm hearing,
that when the Holy Spirit touches us as we subject ourselves to the Holy Spirit
through anointed meetings of the preaching and teaching where the spirit is
flowing that spirit comes and connects with our human spirit, and the seed is
produced. I didn't make it clear, let me say it again. With the Old Testament
prophets Leviathan is knocked cold. With the prophets it doesn't say the Holy
Spirit. It usually says, and an angel came and touched me. Now the angel is
Michael, that I got. So the angel comes and touches his human spirit, and when
Michael touches your human spirit he raises Adam from the dead. That's what
he does. When Michael touches your human spirit it raises the first Adam from
the dead. When the Holy Spirit touches our human spirit the Word of God is
temporarily raised from the dead. We could be sitting in an anointed meeting,
and the Word of God is temporarily raised from the dead in us. Am I making any
sense? And then it is possible for that seed to engraft to our human spirit. Once
it is present in us because we are submitted to anointed ministry, and the seed is
now appearing in us it is possible to engraft to us. That's why we are saved by the
foolishness of preaching. That's why it has to come through preaching because
there is an anointing coming from the man's who's preaching or whatever touches
our human spirit, the Word of God is present and has the opportunity to engraft.
Does that make any sense? I still have a question in my mind whether the Holy
Spirit....I wouldn't think that the Holy Spirit is Michael because....I don't know....I
don't know why the Lord would say the Holy Spirit when it is Michael unless it
could be that it is a code, but apparently it is not a well known fact in the church
that Michael is so important in our salvation. We know that the angel said to
Daniel that it took him 21 days, I was hindered but Michael came and fought for
you. We know that Michael is the warrior. We were talking about this off the
tape. I've never heard anyone preach about Michael. I had no idea that Michael
was so important as it is being revealed to us now so maybe the Holy Spirit is a
code name for Michael, but I don't think so because Michael is an angel. Michael
is an archangel, and the Holy Spirit is a spirit. To me an angel is a personality.
COMMENT: I had always thought that the Holy Spirit that hovered over Mary
was the spirit of Jehovah, the Holy Spirit that came out from Jehovah, and I was
just questioning if Michael was the name of the son because Hebrew Christians
say that to use Elohim is to use the name that really should be applied to evil,
Satan, I forget exactly how they say it.
PASTOR VITALE: I don't know the answer to that question. I read their literature on it,
and I could not receive it at all. I did put it before the Lord. At the time that
literature came we had been using the name of Elohim heavily, and I haven't
heard anything from Him on it. The only comment I have about that is that I do
have a revelation that every time there is a change of name it means something
so even if the Holy Spirit is Jehovah it is another function of Jehovah. Everything
is Jehovah, you know. Elohim is Jehovah, Michael is Jehovah, Jehovah is all that
there is. There is one spirit and many administrations thereof. So if the Holy
Spirit is Jehovah it is another expression of Jehovah just as Elohim is and Michael
is so it can't be the same, you see. That's why I say the Holy Spirit cannot be
Michael because they are different names. There has to be a reason why they
have different names. There has to be a reason so I don't understand it, and I am
waiting for the Lord to explain to me what all this is. Now going all the way back
10-11 years ago before this ministry started there was another ministry here on
Long Island who was associated with many other ministries that were
preaching...well I really don't want to go into what they were saying. Let me put
it to you this way. They were going around saying that they had the same position
as Jesus had, and I was very offended by it because I know that the scripture says
that He is the head of the body, and I know that He is the Savior, the scripture
says that He is the Savior of the world, but I think what's happening now is that
we are coming into a revelation that they might have seen in a perverse way.
They may have laid hold of a truth, but because their pride rose up they received
it in a perverse way. I know there was one man who came in from out of state,
and he preached that some denomination, he had some interaction with some
denomination, and they wanted him to agree with their statement of faith that
Jesus is the only begotten son of God, and he said I couldn't sign it because I am
a begotten son of God also. Now that's not true, you see. Jesus is the only one
who is begotten. We have Jesus' life engrafted to us so we are not the same as He
is. There is a difference, a definite difference. He is the head and He has the
preeminence, and He's different than we are, and I am starting to see some of
these differences, but I don't have the complete revelation yet, but they must have
seen something that Jesus of Nazareth had an experience that we are going to
share in, that we are going to have the same experience. We are going to
overcome our sin nature, we are going to experience the first, second, and third,
Lord willing, stages of resurrection, but what happened to them was when they
got this revelation they started to think that they didn't need Jesus, that they were
having the same experience that Jesus had, and that Jesus didn't have any Jesus
and He went through so why can't we do it. Am I making any sense at all? I
think that's what they must have been thinking. What they didn't realize was that
Jesus had Michael. You see, it is a secret, it is a secret. If it is in the scripture at
all it is hidden in some kind of a code. I haven't found it in the scriptures yet, but
Jesus had Michael. How do I know Jesus had Michael? Because to ascend into
the second stage of resurrection Jesus had to marry Michael. We have seen it
with Elisha and Elijah. To ascend out of this time line you have to marry the
eternal time line, and Michael is the representation of the eternal time line so
Jesus of Nazareth did have a mentor. He did have an elder brother. It was
Michael, but it is a big secret. There is just a big mystery surrounding all the
information that we have about this process that's going to raise us from the dead.
We don't know where Jesus was all those years of His youth. We know that He
was trained. . . we don't even know that....we just assume that He was trained as
a Jewish boy. We don't know what His experiences were. We have no
information whatsoever about Him before we hear from Him at 30 years old.
Who trained Him? Was all His training directly from above? Who trained Him?
Some New Agers say that He was in Egypt, but He was only in Egypt as a child.
In any event they say, all those years of His life He was in India or the Far East
getting all this occult training from these mystics over there. When I first heard
it I was offended. I thought how could you say such a thing? And here I am
getting information from books on Kundilini. How do I know? Why is His
childhood such a secret? Why don't we have any information about the kind of
training that He had? Why not? There is a mystery here. There is something
that we don't know. The only thing that I touched on today was one scripture that
indicates that Jesus is coming back bodily, and this is a big, big issue in the
church. A large part of the church is waiting for Jesus Christ's physical return,
the physical return of the man, Jesus, and that man doesn't exist any more. At
least not in the form that we know Him. He is now a glorified man. I don't want
to go on. I'll talk to you, leave the tape on, but I'm not going to do anything with
this tape because I don't see how I could send this tape out. I'm just going to level
with you as to where I am, but I'm not going to produce this tape now.
PASTOR VITALE: I've been asking the Lord about this singularity, and I believe I have
an answer from the Lord. It is singularity versus duality. Unless the Lord tells
me I'm being deceived, I have it before Him, I was not correct in what I was
thinking. I had this concept in my mind that once we ascend above the firmament
we are going to be one man, and I saw it as a crystal with different planes in the
crystal, that we would have our own identity, but we would be all one, and I based
that on Ezekiel's new creation man in Ezekiel 1, and I would not understand it.
I just knew that even though we would be all one we would have more freedom
than we had down here in our individuality, but the way my thoughts are going
now, and it may not be God, you are just experiencing how I study, OK? And
how I meditate on the Word. The way it looks now is that I was wrong, that the
singularity is within the individual. Now this is what duality and singularity
mean, this is what I heard from the Lord today. Duality is talking about the fact
that the beings down here underneath the firmament, the way we reproduce is an
incestuous form of reproduction. We have broken ourselves into two pieces, and
we are interacting with each other. The male and female aspect of the creation
which was singular on the other side of the flood has now divided into male and
female, and we are interacting with each other. If you remember the teaching on
Quantum Mechanics, Adam came through the firmament, he broke down into two
people, and the two people interacted with each other, and that's how this world
has been expanding ever since. It is an incestuous form of interaction. God is not
involved in the reproduction. The female animal is interacting with herself and
producing more female animals, but God's not involved in the reproduction. Are
you following me? We have a human spirit, but unless you have been reconciled
to Jesus your human spirit is dead. So, what we are is a whole society of female
animals interacting with one another and producing more female animals, and
that is the duality. We have broken into two parts and we are interacting with
each other. It is a dual form of reproduction. The word duality and singularity
have to do with the form of reproduction. So the singularity that exists above the
firmament is a form of reproduction which calls for one female animals, see down
here we are two female animals interacting with each other. The singularity is
one female animal interacting with the spirit of God producing another singular
man. I will say it again. On the other side of the flood Noah and all of the
descendants of Seth that lived on the other side of the flood were all ascended
men. They were all living spiritually above the firmament. See, that's what the
flood is all about. The flood was an individual experience for everyone of them.
All of these descendants of Seth on the other side of the flood, Noah's
contemporaries, they were spiritually living above the firmament, and when the
judgment came from Jehovah their waters fell down. This was all a spiritual
experience within themselves, and they became mortal men. Are you following
me? OK. But they kind of man that they were before the judgment is singular
men. They were singular men. They were a female animal with a spiritually male
mind, and if you recall the tapes on Genesis 7 which you probably don't, that's ok,
this is the way the translation came forth. After Noah was raised from the dead,
that was after Adam was raised from the dead in the man Noah, and he was a
female animal with a spiritually male mind. He was not the product of two female
animals interacting. He was the product of a female animal interacting with the
spirit of God which produced a spiritually male mind in this female animal. Are
you following me? I'll give you these tapes privately if you want, but I really
don't want you giving them out because I have things on here that may be wrong.
They may be wrong so I really don't want you giving them out. Now this part that
I'm telling you is ok, but I'm not going to produce the tape. Listen, Noah, after
Jehovah and Elohim dealt with him to the point that he could survive the
flood....he was a being that was not the product of two animals. He was a spiritual
man which was the produce of the female animal and a spiritually male mind. He
was a female animal that did not interact with another female animal. Norah was
a female animal that interacted with the spirit of God which interaction produced
a spiritually male mind. Following me? Ok. I believe, I've been asking the Lord
for years, 2-3 years, why Jesus did not have a natural father, and I think I'm on
the track. This is the singularity. Life above the firmament is in a form whereby.
. . I have to qualify that. . . there is life above the firmament which is within us,
and then there is glorification which is singular life outside of the body. There is
life above the firmament while we are still in the animal body. That's where Noah
was, and then there is singular life outside of the body. Are you following me?
Ok. Singularity is referring to a being that has. . . I guess if we are above the
firmament it is still an animal body. Above the firmament we are a living beast,
and beneath the firmament we are in a wild animal body. Can you deal with that?
Ok. This is a wild animal's body. It is in Satan's image. Above the firmament
we are a living beast. We are still a spiritually male mind living in an animal
body. That's what the singularity is. Singularity is referring to our relationship
with Jehovah and our form of reproduction. The life above the firmament is a
singular life. That means we are not interacting, it is not two female animals
interacting, but it is one female animal interacting with God which produces a
spiritually male mind. Singularity opposed to duality - duality is two female
animals interacting and producing a female mind. So I've been teaching you that
life above the firmament is singular, what that means is, you see I thought that it
meant that we wouldn't have individual spiritual bodies. That's what I thought
that it meant, that we would all be part of one spiritual body, but now it looks like
I was wrong, that we will have individual spiritual bodies and the word singularity
is not referring to all of us being stuck together which is what I thought, but the
term singularity is referring to the fact that our relationship will be with God and
not with another female animal. Are you ok? So the way it looks now we are
going to have individual spiritual bodies unless the Lord tells me that I'm wrong,
and that there are people in the spirit world both above the firmament and the
spiritual part of this world that are in individual spiritual bodies, and Elijah is up
there, and Elisha is up there, and Moses is up there, and Jesus is up there, and
they all have spiritual bodies if this is correct. It may not be correct. And we are
going to be glorified, and we are going to have spiritual bodies too. So where does
Jesus fit into all this? It sounds like heresy. I'm just telling you I will not panic.
The Lord is going to straighten this out in my mind, but I am not producing this
tape. Ok?
So where is Jesus in all this. If Michael is the one. . . .the only thing that I've got
is that Jesus, because of His sacrifice we are under a period of grace in which our
sins are forgiven for a season, and we are given the tools we need to begin to
dominate our carnal mind because of Jesus's sacrifice, but I can't relate Him to
my personal experience. If He's not the Holy Spirit. . . I'm walking around this
house saying, Lord I don't even know who I'm praying to. Am I praying to
Jesus? Am I praying to Michael? Who am I praying to. The scripture says to
pray to the Father in the Name of the Son. Pray to the Father in the spirit of the
Son. That's not Jesus. The Son is in me. What that means, pray to the Father
in the Name of the Son, means don't pray to Him out of your carnal mind, pray
out of the Son in you, pray in spirit and truth. So if Jesus is not the Holy Spirit
who am I calling Lord? Is it Michael or is it Jesus? I don't know, but I told Him
today that I'm not going into any condemnation because He's my God whatever
His name is. It's the same God I was worshiping yesterday, and it is the same
God that I was worshiping last year, and it is the same God that has brought me
through all these severe trials, and I don't think He is mad at me because I'm not
sure what His name is right now. I just know that He is going to clear this all up.
Now I watched that tape that you gave me. . .and there was a woman who had a
dream and in her dream the ascended masters came to her so I'm saying to
myself, well is it possible that if it is true that we are going to have individual
spiritual bodies are there mature spiritual people in this world who really have
ascended? Now if they have ascended they have not ascended above. Now if they
have ascended illegally, they have not ascended above the firmament, but is it
possible that they have ascended into the spiritual part of this world? I've already
told you that I have heard and I believe that there are people who are high in
witchcraft that enter into a spiritual world, and they travel around, they say they
go to Venus, all these planets, and all these different levels. So many people having
these experiences there has to be some reality to it. Now I know it is not above the
firmament. It has to be beneath the firmament so there is a spiritual world
beneath the firmament, and all these people are saying that they enter into it. Are
there really ascended being above the firmament? Maybe there are, I don't
know. And I cannot relate Jesus to my personal life. If Jesus is not the Holy
Spirit, I don't even know who came to me first, I heard an audible voice. All these
years I'm thinking it was Elohim. I don't even know who it is. I heard an audible
voice announcing that He was my God, and then He was inside of me. First He
was outside of me and then He was inside of me. So was it Elohim, was it Jesus,
was it Michael, was it the Holy Spirit, I don't know. Because in this whole study
that I've done on Elijah and Elisha that we just finished I see Michael in the role
of the Holy Spirit. I see Elijah falling down. I see Elisha falling down, and I see
Michael coming to them and touching their human spirit and raising Adam from
the dead in them, and then Michael marrying Adam. Are you following me?
That's what I see. So where is the Holy Spirit in all this? If it was Michael in the
Old Testament why is it the Holy Spirit in the New Testament? I don't know, and
then I see Jesus and this I mentioned on a recent tape, I see Jesus in a very similar
condition to Elijah and Elisha in that both Elisha and Elijah were called the
Chariot of Israel and the horsemen thereof which we broke the code. We found
out that it means they were the first and the last Adam. I always thought when
Jesus said, I am the first and the last Adam He was the only one who was the first
and the last Adam, but He wasn't because Elijah and Elisha were the first and the
last Adam. What does that mean? It means that the cycle of God's river was
completed in them. Just as we were talking earlier about the veil being broken
and the serpent relating to mortal men, both Leviathan and through Satan to
complete the cycle. That's in the negative realm. In the positive realm, the way
Jehovah relates fully to a man is that He relates to them through the first Adam
and the last Adam, and the cycle is completed. Are you following me? So Elijah
and Elisha were the first Adam and the last Adam. All that it means when Jesus
said, I am the first and last Adam, is that the cycle of life was completely restored
in him. That's all it means, and He was not the first one. So what I see happening
with all these thoughts that are coming into my mind is that Jesus' authority is
being weakened, and it started to scare me, you know, because I don't want to go
into any heresy here. I was very concerned. I haven't really had time to study
this out as I would have liked to, but I do have a couple of translations here that
are really shocking. Let me say this to you, the scripture is clear that Jesus was
God, the scripture is clear that Jesus is Savior, the scripture is also clear, now this
is something new, you have never heard me tell you this before, that Jesus is the
controller. That Greek word, I think it is Kurios that is translated Lord, it means
controller, and it appears to be the equivalent to the word that we found in the
Hebrew when I talked about Elijah controlling Leviathan in Elisha. Remember
that? This now seems to be the meaning of the word Lord in the New Testament,
and Jesus is Lord. He is the controller. That means He's doing for us what Elijah
did for Elisha. He's helping us, we press to control Leviathan so that we can
climb up on top of her, and when we finally do stand in full stature Jesus will be
there with us helping us to keep her down because I don't think we can do it by
ourselves. He is the controller so He has a very important role, but just at this
moment I can't see how He's in me if He is not the Holy Spirit and He's not
Michael. How did He get in there? How's He controlling? I can't believe He is
controlling from outside of me, He's got to be controlling from inside of me, but
I can't connect to Him at this point. Do you understand what I'm saying? So
Jesus is the controller. He's very important. We will never stand up in full
stature or go on to the second or third stage of resurrection without someone
helping us to control Leviathan. I think that is very clear. Now, we can liken
ourselves to Elisha because Elisha was born of a woman, and He had a lot of
trouble keeping that cap on Leviathan. He needed help. Now Jesus is not like
unto Elisha because Jesus had no father. Now this fact that Jesus did not have a
father somehow puts Him in the category of immortal. I don't fully understand
it. I believe the scripture is clear that He was born as a human baby, but He was
not born as a female animal alone. He was born as a female animal with a male
mind. I believe He was born with the Holy Spirit, but He had no father. I've been
asking Him for years, what is the significance of Jesus having no father? The
significance is that He is not the product of duality. He was not the product of two
female animals. He was the product of one female animal and the Spirit of God.
So, it sort of puts Him in the category of immortal like Elijah. Yet Elijah lost his
full stature, Michael had to come and set him on his feet. We found that in I
Kings 19 which to the best of my knowledge that never happened to Jesus.
COMMENT: I am just thinking at the temptation. Remember when we talked
about that Satan said, your father will send angels, and I am just wondering if
that is Michael who came, and you talked about Moses that Michael wanted to
marry Moses' spirit. Well, didn't Michael marry Jesus' spirit? Didn't that take
place?
PASTOR VITALE: Yes it did, but I didn't understand what you were saying at the
beginning. Yes, the only way Jesus could have ascended was through marriage
to Michael.
COMMENT: And he was the one who was at the temptation strengthening Him.
Could angels minister to Him?
PASTOR VITALE: Oh, that's right. It must have been Michael, absolutely.
COMMENT: I don't know if this is a wrong King James translation, but it says,
in my Father's house are many mansions. And when you were talking about the
individual spiritual body. I am caught up on this vision a girl had many years ago
where she saw a whole man and Jesus being the head of all these bodies.
PASTOR VITALE: Well, we know that at the end Christ is going to be done away with.
Jesus is the controller. He's the one that's going to be working with the first
Adam in us to keep Leviathan down so we will need Him I believe until
glorification because our translation of Elisha was that the Sons of Israel knocked
him right out of his full stature after he did all those miracles. So as long as we
are in the body we are going to need help. Of course, Michael was the controller
for Elijah and Elisha, but Jesus is the controller for us. That's what the scripture
I see clearly saying, Jesus is our controller. The only sense I can make out of that
at this time is that Michael, and I don't understand this, was sent to Israel but
Jesus is sent to the whole world, but we still see in the New Testament Michael
and his angels fighting with the dragon and their angels. So, I don't understand
it, there is something I don't under stand there.
COMMENT: At the resurrection couldn't it have been Michael who came down,
rose Jesus from the dead and the two of them became one again, like the mind and
the personality? I think that's how you phrased it. The apostles didn't even
recognize Him. Of course, He was in a spirit body. But they didn't even
recognize His spirit until He started talking, and they realized they were saying
what Jesus had already said to them. I was just wondering if that was like an
empowerment, or a portion so to speak.
PASTOR VITALE: I am not sure what you said, but what you said triggered something in my mind that I had asked the Lord about the accounts of His resurrection. In one account there was one young man standing there, and in another account there were two young men. I asked the Lord a year or so ago who are these two young men? Michael and Adam. But I didn't understand your question, what you just said. But I thank God for that revelation. June is missing this whole thing here. This is exciting. So, if Jesus married Michael are we marrying Michael or are we marrying Jesus? It happened within Jesus. Michael is still separate because he is in Revelation 12 fighting with his angel. (Some comments made that can't be clearly heard). In the man Jesus. It looks like he is an individual spiritual being above the firmament, and there is a river of life flowing through him that it is the first Adam in him that's connected to the last Adam. So, I see a conflict between Michael and Jesus, and I don't understand, I can't put it together, but it will come. I see Michael and Jesus in the same role. I see Michael and the Holy Spirit in the same role, so it will come, but a lot of things are being answered. This is just really exciting about who those two young men were. I am suspecting that Gabriel is the first Adam, Michael is the last Adam. I did come across some interesting things in the scripture that I wanted to share with you here. (Some comments made that can't be clearly heard). Well, there is only two archangels in the scripture so if Michael is the last Adam, I am guessing that Gabriel is the first Adam. Michael is the warrior. Gabriel is not a warrior. We are just talking here. I just found this and thought that you would want to see it. I did a quick Alternate Translation, it is not in any kind of permanent form of that scripture in Jude where it says Michael was struggling with the devil over the body of Moses, and it is not a correct translation at all in the King James. Listen to what it says. Yet while Michael the archangel was withdrawing from the devil. The Hebrew word means withdrawing from the devil, and the devil is Moses' personality, and Michael was withdrawing from it. That sounds to me like the second stage of the resurrection. The harvesting from the vine. Michael and Moses were separating from the fallen personality. Yet while Michael the archangel was withdrawing from the devil. Then there is a negative particle translated not. I translated it Satan. The word, the devil, is in the King James translation, but beside that there is a negative particle that I'm translating Satan. Listen to this, While Michael the archangel was withdrawing from the devil Satan argued over Moses' body boldly casting a slanderous accusation against Michael despite the restriction. What restriction? Despite the restriction saying, the Lord forbids you. And I suggest to you that the Lord that he's talking about is either Leviathan or the serpent. I don't have it straight. Satan would not let go of Moses, and the restriction must have been that Michael was there with the authority to take Moses and Satan wouldn't let him go. We saw the same principle when we just translated those scriptures on Elisha that Satan wouldn't let Elisha (or was it Elijah) go, but Satan stood up to not let him go. So Satan, even though Michael came with
authority from Jehovah to take Moses. Satan wouldn't let him go, and it was
Satan who sent a railing rebuke against Michael. It is not the way the King James
put it at all. It was Satan casting a slanderous accusation against Michael despite
the restriction. Michael had legal right to do that he was doing, saying the Lord,
the serpent, forbids you to take this man. The King James says Michael didn't
dare attack the devil saying the Lord rebuke you. It is not true, it is not true. So
I have one witness to that word Lord, kurious, that Greek word Lord. I didn't do
an exhaustive search, but there is one scripture where that word is used for a
negative Lord. I don't know whether it is the serpent or Leviathan, and it is by
Jesus Himself. It is the same Greek word, but it is not translated Lord. It is
translated masters, Matt. 6:24, no man can serve two masters for either he will
hate the one and love the other or else he will hold to one and despise the other.
No man can serve two lords so the word can be used negatively. The word is
controller. It means controller. Then also with regard to Jesus....God help me.
This is really interesting. II Cor. 13:5, Examine yourselves whether you be in the
faith, prove your own selves, know ye not ye own selves how that Jesus Christ is
in you except you be reprobate. Now that doesn't mean that. It doesn't say that
Jesus is in you. This is what it says. Try to find out, test your own self to try to
find out whether your own righteous selves can stand up under scrutiny under a
severe testing like Jesus Christ did, talking about the temptation, to discern the
difference between your own righteous self and Satan unless you be tested, and
the only way you could be unfit to be tested is if Christ is not in you. You are not
qualified for the test, and who was Christ? The resurrected Adam. So if Adam
is not resurrected in you, you are not qualified to be tested. How can you test
what you don't have? But it doesn't say that Jesus Christ is in you. That's not
what it says. Titus 2:5 says, looking for that blessed hope and the glorious
appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ. That translation should be.
. . .it doesn't say that He is appearing. It says, and one Savior Jesus Christ who
has promised that the glory of the great God Jehovah should appear. The glory
of the great God Jehovah should appear, not that Jesus is appearing. That's one
of the main scriptures that the church bases His returning in a physical form on.
It is not even an accurate translation. The glory of the great God Jehovah is
appearing. Well, it is Christ in us. He's appearing in us, but it is not Jesus Christ
this glorified man that's appearing. So if Jesus is the controller, but Michael is
the one we are marrying I can't fit them in, but it will come. This is like a major
revelation, and they are coming down so fast, the revelations are coming down so
fast my head is swimming.
COMMENT: Remember in the Psalms where David said, my Lord said to my
Lord sit on my right hand. Makes me think of the controller who is controlling
me.
PASTOR VITALE: It must have been Michael. My Lord said to my Lord. The controller
said to the controller. Very interesting.
COMMENT: Who's controlling at that moment?
PASTOR VITALE: It must have been Michael saying to the first Adam, come sit at my
right hand, marry me. Come up here and be joined to me.
COMMENT: Couldn't it be possible that all that Jesus did was swallowed up in
Michael and Michael. . . .
PASTOR VITALE: I don't know, the answers are coming, I got the revelation of
singularity today, and it caused me some anxiety because this revelation seems on
the surface to weaken Jesus' position, but it really doesn't because I found out He
is the controller so it really doesn't weaken His position. What these revelations
are doing, they are really opening the door for us to ascend to this kind of
glorified place so that should not be weakening Jesus' position, but somehow I'm
having trouble saying what I'm thinking.
COMMENT: Doesn't it just say who is controlling at this time? Like the function
of Jesus was to overcome the carnal mind.....
PASTOR VITALE: Well, where is He in us. Then Michael can't be the controller. It has
to be Jesus. Why was Michael the controller in the Old Testament and Jesus is
the controller here? Well that's possible that Jesus is the controller, then we are
not marrying Michael, we are marrying Jesus. I don't really quite have it
straight.
COMMENT: ....Michael the personality and it would be Jesus who would be the
spirit.
PASTOR VITALE: No, I think it is the other way around. It appears that in this New
Covenant Jesus is in Michael's role. So then I don't understand why Michael
appears in Revelation 12. That's what's stumping me. But it appears that Jesus
is in Michael's role, and that Jesus is the controller and that we are marrying
Jesus, but what happened to Michael then? I don't know. Except the two are one,
maybe the two are one.
COMMENT: That's what I would think. Maybe he's the groom because we
always thought of Jesus as the groom.
PASTOR VITALE: Jesus is the groom so the two are one.
COMMENT: In all the fairy tale stores you always see the knight in shining
armor coming on the white horse.....
PASTOR VITALE: So here is the question, since now I'm thinking that there are
individual light beings above the firmament, is Michael separate from Jesus? Or
what it may be is that Michael has now increased into Jesus and the separate light
being....I don't know, I have to stop. If Michael has increased into Jesus why is
Michael in Revelation 12 fighting the dragon? So the Lord will answer. I think
I got an answer sort of knocking this around here. I got an answer because I've
been saying, where is Jesus in all this? And I think that Jesus is the controller.
For where ever Michael is, Jesus is in the role that Michael was in with Elijah and Elisha. Michael is our controller, and Jesus is the one we are marrying. I feel a
great relief about that. I was saying this morning where is Jesus in all this, now
I'm saying where is Michael in all this? I feel much more comfortable with that.
Where is Michael in all this?
COMMENT: Remember the scripture that says to test the spirits. I always
thought of it as testing everything that's out in the world and what you see and
how it lines up with the Bible, but more and more I'm realizing that you are to test
the spirit that's within you. Like I unconsciously knew it but now I'm really a
little more alert to it.
PASTOR VITALE: That's within you and the spirit in the other person, you have to try the
spirit in the person. You have to know who you are talking to.
COMMENT: I guess I always thought about the manifestation of the spirit, not
the spirit itself. Try the spirit to see if it be of God.
PASTOR VITALE: Yes. I am sorry you missed this June. It's funny because the
conversation was so, the message was so carnal for almost the whole first tape.
I was thinking we weren't going to get into anything spiritual, and all of a sudden
the anointing just fell, and a really deep think tank just came forth. I didn't think
we were going to go for it
COMMENTS: I was working on the prints for Quantum Mechanics and on the
print it said singular and multiple, and I wonder if that is any connection with
what you are talking about before. I was coming in and out.
PASTOR VITALE: I don't really recall what I said on the other prints. It probably is
similar, but I don't recall what's on there.
COMMENT: That wasn't a new revelation that you were talking about.
PASTOR VITALE: Yes, it is a different understanding than singularity.
COMMENT: I noticed that you had put on the board at one time "horseback."
I was reading some of the pamphlet on some of the Alternate Translations, and
you said "rider," and I thought that would be rather than on horseback. Would
you put rider in place of that?
PASTOR VITALE: I really can't relate to all of this now. You really have to put it in front
of me and show me what you are talking about.