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Okay we are going to try a marathon tonight. I really do not know we will find out whether or not it is God telling me to do all of Daniel 9 in one night. The only thing that will stop me pretty much is if I feel that I am losing you. I am pretty sure that I can do it. Although, maybe I should not be so sure but I am going to go with the spirit, if I feel that I have lost you and that the Lord is telling me to stop I will do that. I am going to ask the Lord to let us take a break in between as the Holy Spirit lets me. We will take maybe a 15 minutes break just for you to get up and move around and get your head together. Maybe we will even take questions up to that point. I am going to see how the Lord moves. If XXXX feels like it we can have some music in between but if you are too tired it is okay. It is up to you.
Praise God. So on Daniel 9 I am going to briefly expand on verses 1 through 20 which is basically Daniel's prayer. And then starting with verse 21 I will go into the words in the Hebrew and I do have alternate translations for verses 21 through 27.
I just like to give you a brief overview of the prophecy in the book of Daniel, up to chapter 6 is history. We have done chapter 7 word by word and we have found that to be an account of the creation from the very beginning unto the very end in a very abbreviated form. Just the highlights of the creation and the fall and God's restoration of the creation, and we did that a good 2 years ago if not more.
We recently did chapter 8 which we found out he has given us some very intense detail of the fall and just some brief information about how God intends to turn that fall around. And now Lord willing we are going to do chapter 9 tonight which gives more details about the restoration.
I find it very exciting and I will not comment on chapter 10 or chapter 11 at this point but I do believe is more information about the restoration. And I will like to remind you that in my opinion the book of Daniel is the most intense expression of prophecy that I have ever worked with. Maybe intense is not the right word let me say the most abbreviated expression of prophesy I have worked with.
What do I mean by abbreviated? I mean that in many instances and it is going to happen, it happened in chapter 8 you are going to see it in chapter 9. The scripture just gives one word and if you do not have a revelation of a deep revelation of the scripture that the Lord has been bringing forth here you will never in a million years know what this isolated word can mean.
So there could be you will see in verse 27 there are just like four isolated words that when I prayed about it and worked on it and looked up for alternate translations I found it to be God's plan for restoration as he has revealed it to us throughout the scriptures. And it is very exciting to me because we know that the book of Daniel tells us clearly that this is a sealed book and that it is not to be opened until the end times. So one of the things that this is saying to me is that God had, and is truly permitting us to enter into the end times doctrine.
I am not telling you that it is the ultimate and there is nothing beyond it but I think that we have entered into the category of end time doctrine. And I personally I am very excited and I remind you that the end there is a season of the end but the end will come to each individual individually.
Once the door opens and the end, what is the end? And Perfection becomes available, it is going to happen to individuals in very similar manner to the way the Holy Spirit was made available to the many. First it happened to the disciples. It happened to them at a major outpouring which was the opening of the door. And now two thousand years later it is possible for individuals to receive the Holy Spirit. And it is happening everyday and I am going to suggest to you that perfection or full stature is going to happen in a very similar way. The door will open with a few people standing up in full stature, and it will then be made available to the body at large an individual at a time. Halleluiah.
Okay let us try this thing. And I will remind you that the scripture says the truth will make you free. I believe with all my heart that we cannot enter into full stature believing false doctrine. That is my opinion, you are free to disagree with me if you like but that is my opinion. And you say well all these people cannot seem to believe this or cannot seem to comprehend this, my answer to you is that it is my understanding that once the sons of God stand up in full stature that they will have the spiritual authority to smite or to wound the carnal minds of men and that wounding will result in the carnal mind flipping back. And when the carnal mind flips back, the mind of the spirit will be unveiled and the many will be able to understand this word. And when they understand the word it will come upon them in spiritual power. And it will produce a change in their soul and they will be on their way into ascending into full stature.
So the hardest part was what Jesus did, he was the first one and now the second hardest part is the first fruit that is going to stand up. And although it may be difficult for the individual who is going through the birth pangs, it is going to be easier in that it is going to be available to the many at one time. And it is going to be easier in that you are going to know that there are people standing in spiritual strength who are believing this doctrine and that is going to usher you in.
It is very hard in this hour to stand against the traditional church. I do not believe that you can do it but by the grace of God. You have to really be called to it to work against the crowd like, this is virtually impossible without God giving you a special anointing to do it. That is my opinion. Halleluiah, okay we are going to try this thing.
Daniel Chapter 9
1 In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans:
This prophesy was imparted to Daniel in the reign of Darius who was a king of Median.
2 In the first year of his reign, I Daniel understood by books the number of years, whereof the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.
Now the prophet Jeremiah prophesied the seventy year exile of natural Israel and that is what Daniel was talking about here. Now we have a whole church full of scholars who are taking this verse and applying it to the pathetic parts of this book. And I am going to give you my opinion you are free to believe whatever you want but after much study and much prayer, I am of the opinion and I believe God has told it to me it is not an opinion.
God has told it to me you can say yea or nay, that when you are dealing with a physical people, when you are dealing with a natural nation as Israel was at the time that it went into captivity, when the prophet says seventy years he is talking about seventy natural years. But when you are dealing with prophesy and you are dealing with symbols and you are dealing with the future, and you are dealing with not specific things but spiritual principles these numbers are not to be taking natural.
And I have been teaching you here for a while now when you read anything in the scripture, first you have to find out who is talking, who they are talking to, what was going on before they said what they said, are they are speaking naturally, are they speaking in parables and we have many messages where both Paul and Jesus are talking about natural things and then all of a sudden with no warning the way I express it is they switch modes and they are talking about spiritual things.
And if you not in tune to these things, that if you are not in tuned to the fact that they can switch from the natural to the spiritual mode without any warning you can get into trouble when you try to understand the scripture. Because you must understand natural things with the natural mind and you must understand spiritual things only with the mind of Christ.
So let me say it one more time to make it clear. Yes verse 2 of Daniel 9 clearly states that Daniel was aware that seventy years exile was appointed to natural Israel by Jeremiah but that is no reason to assume that when Daniel goes on to talk about seventy weeks which starts somewhere in verse 24 (in 24 he talks about the seventy weeks) there is no reason to believe that this seventy weeks is natural.
There could be a writing that I do not know about but every writing that I am aware of on Daniel 9 tries to make a natural seventy weeks out of that. And the Lord has told me it is spiritual and taking it spiritually the Lord has revealed some very interesting meanings to it. We will get to that, we are just going to go quickly through to verse 20
Daniel 9 3 to 20
3 and I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:
So Daniel was doing everything that he knew how to do to be spiritual and to encourage the Spirit of God to visit him.
4 And I prayed unto the Lord my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments:
I like to point out to you here that when Daniel prayed he did not just pray but he made his confession. He made his confession. What confession? That he was not perfect that he was a sinner and we will find out further on that his nation was sinners and his prayer was for mercy. He acknowledged his subordinate position to the Lord. He acknowledged the Lord's righteousness, and the sin of himself and his nation and he petitioned the Lord to have mercy on him by speaking to him.
Verse 5 We have sinned and committed iniquity, who is we? The nation of Israel corporately and Daniel personally, we have confession and now we have repentance.
We have sinned, and committed iniquity, and have done wickedly and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments:
We have sinned in the mind we have committed iniquity in our soul. Iniquity is the fruit of the sin and we have done our deeds have been wicked. And we have rebelled and we have departed from God's laws.
Verse 6 Neither have we hearkened unto thy servants the prophets, which spake in thy name to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, and to all the people of the land.
I want to tell you brethren if you are in any kind of trouble do not expect help from God if you are not ready to confess your sins and repent that you have done all these things, because you will not be in trouble if you did not do all these things.
Verse 7 O Lord, righteousness belongeth unto thee, but unto us confusion of faces, as at this day; to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and unto all Israel, that are near, and that are far off, through all the countries whither thou hast driven them, because of their trespass that they have trespassed against thee.
So Daniel is confessing that God is righteous that Israel and himself are sinners and that this judgment that has come upon Israel is a just judgment.
Brethren I encourage you all to examine yourself. Again I am not picking on any one here. I do not know where this tape is going. If there is a trouble in your life or a trial in your life, God is righteous and you are the one who has sinned. And God does not judge you unrighteously. If there were no sin in your life you will not be in the condition that you are in. If for the life of you you cannot understand where you have sinned, ask the Lord he will show you. But you must have a heart that is open to confessing that you have sinned.
Verse 8 O Lord to us belongeth confusion of face to our kings, to our princes and to our fathers because we have sinned against thee.
Notice how he expresses the sin of the fathers and the rulers together with himself. Brethren there is no separation, the sins of the fathers are visited unto the children unto the third and fourth generation and here Daniel tells us that the all of Israel is paying the price for the sins of the kings. Does he say the prophets? For our kings and our princes, he does not say sins of the prophet, just the sins of the kings and the princes.
Brethren the church is bearing the reproach that is upon us for the sins of the five fold ministry. I tell you the truth. I am not picking on anybody, not every member of the five fold ministry that is what the bible says. Glory to God, Jesus. I feel to give you an explanation here.
Brethren all of the five fold ministry is not serving God, many are serving themselves. I have a reason the other day to call a minister out of state, and the minister who gave me his name I am not going to go into why I called him but I had a reason to call him. The minister who gave me his name said find out if this guy is in deliverance because if he is not I want to know.
And I called up the man and he said something to me. Well what he said to me was it is impossible for a Christian to have a problem. He said I am going to show you how it is impossible for a Christian to have a problem. He said open up your bible and turn with me to where it says he who was in me is greater than he who was in the world. And I said brother I guess you are not in deliverance and he said I am in deliverance. You just think there is a problem. There is no problem because greater is he who is in you that he who is in the world. Well I reported to the person that asked me to call him and I said take his name off your list he is a phony.
I want to tell you if some hurting person had called this man, and did not know what to do after him this man has a sign out I minister deliver to the oppressed, that person will be bearing the reproach of the kings that are in the church today. And that is just one instance. I am not picking on anybody I am telling you the truth.
Verse 11 Ye all Israel have transgress thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.
He is talking about the Law of Moses in the book of Deuteronomy which says choose ye this day a curse or a blessing, and they chose rebellion and the curse fell. The church is moving into heavy judgment brethren and they are totally unprepared because they believe it is for the wicked sinners out on the street. And they are going to be shocked when they see the mercy of God falling upon the wicked sinner that is living in the street and when they start to lose everything. And for those who this happens to in most instances is going to be because the king that they sat under did not tell them the truth.
Verse 12 And he hath confirmed his words, which he spake against us, (who Moses has confirmed his word which he spake against us) and against our judges that judged us, (that is the kings of the church today) by bringing upon us a great evil, for under the whole heaven has not been done as hath been done upon Jerusalem.
Verse 13 As it is written in the law of Moses, all these evil has come upon us, yet made we not our prayer before the Lord our God, that we might turn from our iniquities and understand thy truth.
Daniel is saying that despite everything that happened to natural Israel, they could not confess that they deceived it. That is what he said. This evil has come upon us, yet made was not our prayer before the Lord that we might repent. Well what prayer do you have to make in order to repent? A prayer of confession. You cannot repent unless you confess that you have sin. And if you say that you repent because you want deliverance from a difficult situation in your life but if it is a general yes I repent help me but you have not confessed what you have done to bring this upon you, brethren you have tied God's hands. And then if you turn around and blame God for not delivering you, you have made God unrighteous. This is the sin of pride.
Verse 14 Therefore has the Lord watched upon the evil, and brought it upon us: for the Lord our God if righteous in all his works which he doeth for we obeyed not his voice.
The Lord brought the evil upon them. Satan brethren is the servant of Almighty God, he cannot bring anything upon you that the Lord has not ordered him to bring upon you. And in this hour in the church when evil comes upon us, we have two choices we can cry out to God for general repentance saying I do not know what I did, show it to me and I will repent and then when he shows it to you repent and he will bring you through, and you will have an increase in Christ and greater dominion over sin in your life.
But if the sin overtakes you brethren there is something wrong in your heart. You cannot either confess your sins or you cannot repent or both. Now if you cannot do it, you always have the option to cry out to God. Father I recognise that I am in trouble I cannot confess my sins and I cannot repent and he will deliver you. He will give you a good confession in your heart.
God resisteth the proud. It is when you insist that you are going to do it yourself and it is when you insist that you do not need God's help that you can recite scriptures and overcome a roaring lion, he is going to let you find out that you are mistaken. So you can go the easy way or you can go the hard way. You can go the fast way or you can go the slow way but you have got to find out that God is all powerful and that you are weak. When it comes to spiritual matters you are weak and you need a saviour and that God is righteous and that everything that is coming upon you is due to your sins and the sins of your ancestors and the sins of your kings and the sins of your judges. And you are to confess this without condemnation; you are to confess it with forgiveness for that.
And he also said in verse 13 that they did not make the prayer of confession before the Lord that they might turn away from their iniquities and understand the truth. So understanding the truth is very important. Now we have large numbers in the church today not willing to pray about a doctrine that is different than theirs and being quite not only critical but condemning about doctrine that is different from their own. And they shut up the kingdom of heaven not only for themselves but for those who are under them.
Verse 14 Therefore hath the Lord watched upon the evil, and brought it upon us; for the Lord our God is righteous in all his works which he doeth: for we obeyed not his voice.
Now notice brethren that if you are lowest guy on the .... in church the evil is coming upon you too, because you did not obey his voice either and God is not listening you say well my pastor did not tell me, my mother did not tell me, or my father did not tell me. Well I was going to where they preach the truth but my neighbour told me it was the wrong place and I got all confused. Well then God is going to bring evil upon you so that you should learn to not be confused.
God's judgment is never for punishment sake alone. It is to bring a correction to a weak mind and to bring a strengthening to a weak mind. And to teach you how to pray through and how to touch God, because no matter how bad your condition is, if your heart is really crying out for help he will respond to that cry. That is why it is very dangerous to look at people with a surface look.
And that is why in this last day we are going to see people coming into the church in droves, overcome people, people whose lives are a disaster that the church has condemned and Christ is going to be revealed in them while the church comes under heavy judgment.
Be very careful. Jesus never condemns anybody he can give a rebuke but remember everything that Jesus does is designed to bring the person to repentance. He never condemns them to hell for ever. He is God Almighty and he is full well able to turn around anyone and everyone that he desires to turn around. And if you think he is not turning the whole world around because he is weak, you have just insulted the Son of God.
So give up your childish doctrines and confess that there might be another answer. To think that the Creator of the universe will let his creation burn in hell for all of eternity because in the fallen condition of their minds they rejected him, will not be a very positive statement about my God. To me that is an insult that you will think such a thing about my God. Halleluiah.
Verse 15 And now, O Lord our God, that has brought thy people forth out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and has gotten thee renown, as at this day we have sinned, and we have done wickedly.
I have heard from many people in church it is not my fault. It is not my fault there is no love in the church. 'My mother was an alcoholic, got a bad break'. Brethren if you are in trouble because you have done wickedly and you have sinned, well how could that two year old baby have done wickedly? Brethren that two year old baby is the parents, same soul, brethren.
That is how God can say the sins of the father shall be visited unto the children unto the third and fourth generation. Unschooled people think that is terrible but the spiritual reality of our existence is that our offspring are us in another form. Just like that plant over there putting out all those leaves. If I prune that plant and cut most of the leaves off and it grew new leaves those new leaves will still be the same plant. What happened to the leaves that I cut off they just pass down into the draft.
I am sorry if you do not like it. It is the spiritual reality of our existence. God cannot be unrighteous and if he says that he is going to punish the fourth generation offspring for something a great, great, great grandfather did, it has got to be righteous and if you think it is unrighteous and if it sounds unrighteous to you, you are carnal and without understand.
Jesus said to the Pharisees I know that you are the offspring of the Pharisees because you kill the prophets just like they did. You are doing the same thing that they did and therefore I know that you are their children that you are them.
Therefore we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. If there is no other reason because the original Adam sinned. But every generation they have to have sin, everybody has sinned and therefore we are born with sin. We are born sinners, in the womb we are sinners, as we issue out of the womb we are sinners, by the very nature of our birth, by the very nature of that which has produce us.
An evil tree cannot produce good fruit, brethren. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is fallen and it has been separated from God. And I remind you that at the beginning of time the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was one with the tree of Life. It was one tree and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil separated out from the tree of Life and separation from God is death.
And because we are the products of that separated tree we are dead and we are sin. The evil tree the tree that separated from the tree of Life, the tree that is death and dead because of separation from God has produced you. And Jesus said an evil tree of the tree that has separated from God cannot produce good fruit, cannot produce the fruit that comes from the tree that is joined to the tree of Life. It is impossible.
So when the sons of God manifest we will be tried severely in our energies there is so much teaching to be done. People do not understand who and what they are and they think that they are righteous for a whole variation of reasons. And if the first step of the ladder is not steady you just cannot build on sand.
And throughout the church world today we see this false doctrine. I am righteous because I cast out demons. No you are not; you are not a righteous person in the church today except for the Lord Jesus Christ. You have been granted grace, you have been granted the ability to purify and sanctify yourself that you might eventually be made the righteousness of God but it has not happened to you yet. And if you believe that it has you believe a lie. And you shall surely die in your sins.
Verse 16 O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: (mountain meaning nation, the holy nation) because for our sins, and for our iniquities of our fathers, for our sins and because of the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us.
Brethren, if your parents or ancestors have done very wickedly and have left you in a very unhappy spiritual condition, hating them will only make it worse. All their sins are on your back, you get cleaned up and you can bring the mercy of God to them. If you are hating them your attitude is killing you. If you are refusing to forgive them, your attitude is killing you. If you are blaming them, your attitude is killing you. You are them in another form and if you do not forgive them you do not forgive yourself. And if you do not get this deliverance unless God goes to another member of your family no one is going to get delivered. You are one, the whole family is one.
It is a spiritual truth that if you do not receive you are damaging yourself. Jesus said to the Pharisees I will tell you the truth and the truth will set you free, and the Pharisees said to him who are you that you are going to tell us the truth? We have the Law of Moses we know the truth.
And what was the truth that Jesus wanted to tell them? That you are not righteous, that is what he was saying to them, you are not righteous. And they said who are you to teach us? Abraham is our father, you are bastard and it is going to be happening again. I am telling you when the derelict starts standing up in full stature. And the Pharisees look at them, there is going to be great wrath. Will there be repentance? I do not know but there will be great wrath.
Verse 17 Now therefore, O our God, hear the prayers of thy servant, and his supplications, (supplications are prayer for mercy, hear the prayer of your servant and my call for mercy) and cause thy face to shine upon thy sanctuary that is desolate, for the Lord's sake.
Now look at this, he is not asking God to deliver him and his nation for any good thing in them. He is saying to them for your name sake we are the city that bears your name, have mercy on us.
Remember Job he said he did not deceive the judgment. You cannot come out from this judgment when you saying that you are righteous. Because whether you know it or not every time you make a statement there is such a thing called reverse inference. If I say to you this is not a chair then it must be something else. If I say to you you are not a woman then you must be a man. If I say to you that you are not a child well then you must be an adult, reverse inference.
If you are innocent and this travail is upon you, you have pronounced God guilt. And if you do not believe that I sincerely ask you to pray about it because I tell you the truth. If there is a God in heaven and you claim to serve him and you say that evil has come upon you unjustly, you have accused your God of not sustaining you. I tell you the truth.
Verse 18 O my God, incline thine ear, and hear; open thine eyes, and behold our desolations, and the city which is called by thy name; for we do not present our supplications (prayers for mercy) before thee for our righteousnesses but for thine great mercies.
O Lord hear, forgive O Lord, hearken and do, defer not for thine own sake, O my God for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.
We have found scriptures in Isaiah, and we are going to find it later in the book of Daniel, which indicates that the Lord considers natural man as nothing. That is the way the scripture expresses it, we are nothing. We are a shadow, we are ....... we are temporal we are nothing, He is the only reality. And if we go the way of all dust there will be someone else. Everything he does for us is that he has mercy on us because we are made out of his life. Nothing that we have done deserves mercy, we are filthy.
And the church today is particularly spiritually filthy. There is a scripture I think it is in the book of Isaiah where the Lord is talking to Israel and he says (I may have it backwards) your mother was an Amorite and your father was a Hittite and when you came out of the womb you were filled with the blood of the after bath, you were filthy and I cleansed you.
And I want to tell you that Israel was cleansed by submitting to the Law of Moses. And the church today is being filled with spiritually filthy people that are coming out of families with generations of spiritual filth in their history. And they are filthy as Israel was when God first called them. And they have got to get cleaned up. t is a different covenant.
You are not cleansed by sprinkling blood on you in this covenant. It is a spiritual cleansing that you must submit to after you have confessed your sins and repented and that is a specific repentance. It is not a general repentance I am a sinner. As the Lord comes to you and shows it to you and says look at what you are, will you confess what you are? And if you cannot confess it judgment will fall because he has put his name on you. And for his name sake he will have you cleansed and he will bring whatever chastening upon you necessary to bring forth that Christ in you, for his sake.
Brethren, you are nothing, I tell you the truth. You are something because he has given you his name but you of yourself are nothing. Now if you have one mind with him you are something because of him. It is a fine line. No one is supposed to walk around under condemnation saying I am worthless. You are not supposed to do that as some religions teach you.
You are something when he joins with you but only for his sake, that means you must obey him. You must keep his law and you must be humble before him and confess that he is righteous and that you are nothing so that you can be something. Does anybody not understand what I am talking about? It sounds like a contradiction.
You are only something when you are in union with him and to be union with him you must follow his rules. You must get cleaned up through that union you will be cleansed but if you are in rebellion and if you are in error and refusing to confess your sins and repent, these attitudes are hindering the union and you will be chastened by the very spirit that is trying to draw closer to you. It is not Satan beating you up.
Verse 20 And while I was speaking, and praying and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God.
Okay so Daniel was in this deep prayer and we have just spent 45 minutes talking about what that prayer entails. It was confession, repentance and pleas for mercy. We find in verse 21 that the man Gabriel appeared to him that we have read about in Daniel 7 and 8.
Verse 21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
Now these verses 21 through 27 they are highly spiritual verses and we are going to be having spiritual interpretations of these words. Now the word prayer means intercession. Daniel was not only speaking to God, but the content of his communication was intercession. He was an intercessor between the nation of Israel and Almighty God. And while he was interceding he saw the man whom he had seen in the vision at the beginning. At what beginning? At the beginning of chapter 8 and chapter 7 and we have found out that that man was Gabriel in those chapters.
And that man Gabriel was being caused to fly swiftly. This expression of being caused to fly is really one word and it is strong's 3286, Gesenius says in his lexicon that this is not a correct interpretation of the word and that it should be translated to be fatigued with heavy labour. It has nothing to do with flying.
I remind you that the King James translators were scholars. They were not spiritual men and especially when it comes to prophesy they had a very hard time translating these scriptures. They did the best they could but they made errors this is an obvious error even Gesenius says it is just really, he cannot see in any way how it could be translated that way.
It means to be fatigued with heavy labour. What kind of heavy labour? And the word swiftly, this is to fly swiftly. So he was fatigue with heavy labour swiftly. The word swiftly is Strong's 3288 and it refers to weariness arising from doing something rapidly. And I will like to suggest to you that the man Gabriel was in Daniel's mind the whole time in the form of the mind of Christ which was existing underneath Daniel's carnal mind, and that it required a heavy labour to put down the carnal mind so that Gabriel can arise and speak to Daniel's consciousness that is a heavy labour.
And those of us in this hour that are labouring to live out of Christ and not out of the carnal mind, we know what a heavy labour it is, and we know that if we do not walk that walk, if we do not enter into that labour that we are surely living out of our carnal mind because we default to the carnal mind.
If there is no warfare, you can believe that it is your carnal mind thinking through you and speaking through you. If Christ is being formed in you and you want to live out of Christ you are in warfare all of the time and I can testify to you it is exhausting. And apparently this scripture indicate that the response was swift as soon as Daniel confessed his sins and repented and prayed this whole prayer, the Christ in him responded so rapidly that he was exhausted from the labour.
The Lord is waiting for us to come into a right attitude that he might reveal himself to us and ultimately take over our mind completely.
So after Gabriel arose, Gabriel typifying the imputed of Christ. Let me remind you of this there is really no new teaching. This is why I am hoping to get through the whole of Daniel 9. There is no new teaching everything is going to be a review. And I will like to remind you that the mind of Christ that was in the prophet Daniel was the imputed mind of Christ meaning that it was not permanently woven together with his carnal mind.
In this hour we have a different covenant available to us and that covenant when it fulfilled in us will weave together the mind of Christ with our carnal mind into a permanent or what the scripture calls a permanent fabric. And the mind of Christ will be appearing on it, he will be on top, he will be in control and he will never ever be tread under the feet of the carnal mind again.
It is called another way of expressing that condition is called being begotten from seed, to be begotten from seed. To start with the seed and that seed of Christ which is in your mind is going to grow and interweave itself with your carnal mind so that you can never fall again, but in the old covenant this was not available. The only thing that was available was a temporary manifestation of this weaving and we are going to find this in Daniel. It is coming up soon.
The mind of Christ is called the imputed anointing. It has the strength to arise to interweave itself with Daniel's carnal mind for a moment, for a season, for a specific purpose usually to impart wisdom. And there will be a separation and the mind of Christ will go back down under the carnal mind. And there is a constant rising up and falling down in accordance with the will of the Lord but we have a better covenant it is called the imparted anointing.
And our hope in Christ is for the permanent weaving together of the two minds, thereby imparting the permanently imparting the wisdom, and the protection and the life of the ages of Christ to us. The two minds must be woven together. It is wonderful if you are gifted. It is wonderful if Christ rises up in you and gives you wisdom and gives you knowledge and gives you revelation and gives you understand.
But brethren I declare to you that there is only one anointing that will give you eternal life and that is a permanent interweaving, permanent interweaving with the seed of the creation of God. Which will make you grafted in to the tree and will make you begotten of seed because you are joined to the one who is begotten of seed.
So we are still in verse 21, and the man Gabriel has appeared to Daniel and the scripture says he touched me about the time of the evening oblation. I have some notes here let me read them to you just in case I did not cover it.
Please note that there is no Hebrew word which indicates that Gabriel arrived or came. He was there all the time. The scripture said however that Gabriel was weary from heavy labour. And I am suggesting to you that even though Gabriel was there all the time, he still had to overcome or rise up from underneath Daniel's carnal mind. And also please note that we are told in verse 23 that the commandment to send Gabriel forth was given at the beginning of Daniel's prayer for mercy.
And if you have a problem and you are crying out to God and it looks like there is no response, brethren know this that the stronger your carnal mind is manifesting the longer it is going to take Christ in your mind to rise up and give you the information that you need to be delivered out of this travail.
The carnal mind must battle with the prince of Persia brethren in your own mind before you can hear him, why? because the prince of Persia is ruling. The prince of Persia does not have to battle with Christ for you to hear what he has to say. He has got you, you are his. Christ or Michael is what we are told in the scriptures has to battle with the prince of Persia to shut the mouth of the wicked, so that you can hear what Christ has to say. Christ is the invading force. Christ is invading your carnal mind. Halleluiah.
Okay before I go on with ... I am sorry I have an alternate translation for you and the first half of Daniel 9: 21. At the time I was speaking to God and interceding on behalf of Israel, Gabriel the man I had seen in the previous vision at the time I was speaking to God and interceding on behalf of Israel, Gabriel the man I had seen in the previous vision continuing with the second half of Daniel 9: 21. He touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
This word touched me is Strong's 5060 and it can be translated much more accurately as far as I can see to be mean he reached into or he smote. So we see that he did not just touch Daniel he penetrated him. We can say he penetrated him or he smote him and I believe as we go on we will see that both of these translations can be accurate.
He penetrated Daniel how? He penetrated his carnal mind, how? He wove himself together with it, although temporarily. He had to weave himself together with it to put it down so that Daniel could hear him. And we can say that this was smiting his carnal mind. He wounded his carnal mind; he took its strength away from it so that Christ could be in Daniel's conscious mind.
So that touch was a warfare touch, and Gabriel touched Daniel about the time of the evening oblation, about the time of Strong's 6256 and this is talking about a time or a season.
The word evening is Strong's 6153 and he is talking about a sacrifice according to the Levitical Law which is made at night and it can also be translated foreign king. And I think we have this word in Daniel 8 which we translated foreign king.
I am going to suggest to you that the carnal mind, that Daniel's carnal mind is a foreign king. Who is the true king? Who is Daniel's true king?
COMMENT: Christ .
PASTOR VITALE: Christ is Daniel's true king. So the carnal mind is a foreign king as far as God is concerned even though that king is manifesting most of the time. The carnal mind is the foreign king.
And I also point out to you that it is a sacrifice which is made a night. It is not the sacrifice that is made in the day time. Does anyone know what the sacrifice is that is made in the daytime? Our spiritual sacrifice, the sacrifice of our soul which is made through doing what Christ tells us to do and not doing what our carnal mind tells us to do.
This is a sacrifice that was made in the darkness of the carnal mind which means what? I am suggesting to you that the evening sacrifice which is also called the foreign king is that which is sacrificed or offer up by the foreign king or by the carnal mind. And I recall that I asked you to recall in Daniel 8 that we discovered that the carnal mind offered up the bones of Christ to his god Satan.
And the sacrifice that occurred in the day time is that which is sacrificed by the day which is another name for Christ. The day time sacrifice is the carnal mind which is offered up by Christ onto his Father, Jehovah, Emmanuel, Glory to God.
Oblation the evening oblation, the word oblation is Strong's 4503 and this means a gift offered to a divinity. Actually it is talking about a bloodless sacrifice and the Levitical Law had bloodless sacrifices, they poured out wine for a drink offering. They offered up flour they made cakes out of flour. So every offering under the Levitical Law is not a bloody sacrifice and you find out that the Levitical Law distinguishes between the bloody sacrifice and the bloodless sacrifice.
And I believe that the Lord has told me (it will come out later on I think in verse 27) that the bloody sacrifice is the sacrifice of the carcass of the animal, the goat, the heifer typifying the soul of men. When we spiritualise it, it is the sacrifice of our own souls. And it is the bloody sacrifice. The life of the flesh is in the blood, is the sacrifice of the flesh and the bloodless sacrifice is the sacrifice of our human spirit. The sacrifice of the spirit, there is no blood involved in that.
Remember when Jesus was raised from the dead he was now flesh and bone, flesh and bone. The bloody sacrifice and the bloodless sacrifice, soul and spirit, does anyone not understand that?
So what is does the phrase evening oblation mean? I am going to suggest to you that the phrase evening oblation is speaking about the bloodless sacrifice or the sacrifice not of the soul, the sacrifice of the spirit, which was offered up by the foreign king which is the carnal mind. The evening oblation is the sacrifice of the spiritual bones of Christ which the carnal mind offered up to his god Satan. I have .... in with this teaching.
Brethren what the scripture is saying is that at the time of the evening oblation, at the time that Daniel's mind was in such a condition or by his carnal mind has offered up the Christ in him as a sacrifice unto Satan, Daniel was in his carnal mind. The Christ in him had been sacrificed. He was fully in his carnal mind at that time. The man Gabriel arose and smote that carnal mind or the man Gabriel arose and sacrificed that carnal mind unto his God Jehovah, therefore putting the carnal mind down and exalting Christ into Daniel's conscious mind, and into a position where Daniel could hear the words of God. Halleluiah.
At the time that Daniel was praying, Gabriel smote Daniel's carnal mind which is the foreign king in his mind and forced it down under Christ his true king. Or we can say Gabriel sacrificed Daniel's carnal mind in response to Daniels prayer. Brethren listen to this, Daniel was praying O Lord talk to me and Gabriel or the mind of Christ in Daniel arose and sacrificed Daniel's carnal mind.
Now listen to this, this is very important. Now under the Levitical law when an animal was sacrificed the animal died, so you had to keep bringing in new animals okay. But I believe it very clearly states the scriptural principle that we have seeing as we have been doing prophesy that our own soul must be sacrificed continuously. And sacrificed over and over and over again until the day when it sacrificed permanently. And when will it be sacrificed permanently?
COMMENT: When Christ is become alive in us as the seed matures.
PASTOR VITALE: The third stage of the resurrection when the enmity in our flesh is slain permanently and we stand up in full stature. That is true what you said.
So our soul can every time the Lord tells us to do something and our carnal mind screams do not do it and we do it, we have sacrificed our soul. So there is a temporary sacrifice and there is a permanent sacrifice. We can say that Gabriel sacrificed Daniel's carnal mind in response to Daniel's prayer.
Now beware brethren if you are crying out day and night for God to help you and you have little or no self control in your natural life, if you are immature, or if you are rebellious or whatever your problem is, if despite all that you are crying out day and night to the Lord, prepare yourself because the day is coming that Christ is going to take you. And if it is going to appear that he is taking you against your will, and he will be taking you against the will of your fallen soul.
He will respond to the cries of your spirit. And we have a church world filled with people that are crying out to God and that are shocked at the way he answers their prayers. I hear it all the time; they have a carnal concept of how he is going to answer their prayer. But he lays hold of the prayer of their heart and he answers it, in his way and you think it is Satan.
Do not play with God brethren. You cry out to him and he is going to answer your prayer. It may be painful for a season but it will eventually yield the peaceable fruit of righteousness.
It was a bloodless sacrifice which can be likened to pouring out a drink offering, however because Gabriel did not kill Daniel's carnal mind he only paralysed it temporarily. But it was not a sacrifice of the flesh of Christ but it was a sacrifice of the bones or the spirit of Christ, and it was a sacrifice that will have to be offered up over and over and over again. Every time the bones of Christ forms in Daniel's mind the carnal mind will be there trying to break those bones or to put the mind of Christ back down under the carnal mind. It was a sacrifice that was made at night it was not the permanent sacrifice that will slay the enmity in our flesh never letting it rise again. He slew it but it was only temporarily.
Alternate translation, the second half of Daniel 9:21. And Gabriel wounded my carnal mind and offered it up as a bloodless sacrifice to the Father.
The foreign king in Daniel's mind was offered up as a bloodless sacrifice with a temporary sacrifice.
Alternate translation Daniel 9:21. At the time I was speaking to God and interceding on behalf of Israel, Gabriel the man I have seen in the previous vision wounded my carnal mind and offered it up as a sacrifice to the Father.
Now I just wanted to correct something or clarify something that I said just a few minutes ago. I said the bloody sacrifice is the carcass which is our soul and the bloodless sacrifice is the sacrifice of the spirit. But I believe that is true but in this instance it was a bloodless sacrifice because there was no permanent death. Did I confuse anybody?
Verse 22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.
Gabriel informed Daniel that Strong's 995 we have found that word several times both in Daniel 12 and in Daniel 8. It means to distinguish or to separate. And I am suggesting to you, either the word that is talking about the ministry of perfection by which we must distinguish between our carnal mind and Christ both in ourselves and in others. It is what we are teaching here.
If we are to go on with God we must learn and I am not putting any condemnation on you, if you cannot do it ask the Lord to help you. Why I am saying it this strongly is that you really will not be able to stand up in full stature if you cannot do it but the burden is not yours. Your burden is to tell the Lord that you hear what I am saying and you will like him to give you the ability to do it that is your responsibility.
If anything I say condemns you, please talk to me about it, I am not condemning you. But I am emphasising this, it is essential for this end time warfare you must learn to distinguish between Christ and the carnal mind and you cannot always distinguish by what people say. You must be able to discern the spirit. So it should be a number one priority in your prayers when you go before the Lord. Gabriel imparted a temporary ability to Daniel to distinguish between the carnal mind and Christ. Gabriel informed him and he talked with him.
Talked Strong's 1696 means to console or to comfort. Now there is a lot of talk in the church today about the comforter and that the Holy Ghost is a comforter. And I think if we were to go out and do a survey or talk a poll we get 99 out of a 100 people saying well the Holy Ghost comforts me. He gives me a new car, he comforts me and he has given me a husband and he comforts me and he is healing my body, he comforts me he has given me a raise. Brethren he may be doing all that because you are just a baby and he wants you to be comfortable in your crib.
But the truth comfort of the scripture is a spiritual comfort which comes through joining your mind with Christ. It is a spiritual comfort that registers in your mind. It is not a comfort of the flesh. When the Lord starts to mature you, he is not comforting your flesh brethren. His comfort is through union with him in the soul realm. Halleluiah.
And I want to tell you there is a perversion of this existing today. I have been told that there are certain drugs that produce a sensation of being involved with sexual intercourse for long periods of time. That is a perversion of the comfort or the satisfaction that the Lord intends to provide in your mind. And when he does it, it is going to be permanent and it will be far superior to the comfort that you feel when you are making love with your mate which is only temporary. I am tell you the truth.
And he informed me, he distinguished between the carnal mind and Christ and he talked to me, he comforted me and he said or Daniel I have now come forth to give you skill and understand. The word skill Strong's 7919 strangely enough this word can be translated to bind which means to braid the hair or to be intertwined. So Gabriel distinguished between the carnal mind and Christ and he comforted Daniel, how? By braiding himself together with Daniel's carnal mind.
And the understanding that he is giving it is Strong's 998 and that means inside or intelligence. And I am suggesting to you that it is the inside or the spiritual intelligence or wisdom that is imparted to all of us and that was imparted to Daniel through union with the mind of Christ.
When we join with the mind of Christ we start to think with the mind of Christ. You start to understand with the mind of Christ. You start to see with the mind of Christ and you there by ascend into a mental realm that you have no access to outside of that union. Does anyone not know what I am talking about?
Brethren the promises of God are not in this flesh. They are not, they are not. The desires of this flesh are very strong and the Lord likens them to the gravitational pull that will oppose a space ship from taking off.
But I am telling you that the Lord Jesus Christ is going to translate us, and he is going to translate us out from receiving our comfort in this flesh into receiving the comfort through union of the mind with him. And one of the results of this transfer is that we will no longer be dependent upon this flesh.
You see we only have much trouble in this world, a lot of people in this country do not have much trouble getting food, I know that we have the homeless and we have the hungry but food is available. It is available, but it is of course being dependent on a need of this body. It is a curse for this body to need something outside of itself that maybe you can get and maybe you cannot get it. That is the condition of spiritual weakness, a condition of dependency that makes you a spiritual woman or a spiritual child.
You are not self contained brethren, and neither am I. Does anyone not know what I am talking about? When our mind is completely interwoven with Christ there is no need of this flesh that we will need to be met from outside of us. Every need of this flesh will be met from the in dwelling Christ in our mind.
And I tell you there is not a doubt in my mind that if it is cold we will be warm from the inside, that if it is hot we will be cooled from the inside, that if there is no food available the body will still be sustained. There will be no emotional need that you have that you will need to have a relationship with another person to satisfy, only a relationship with Christ. It is not here yet but it is a promise. This dependency on other people is spiritual weakness.
Now do not be condemned this is our condition. You cannot remedy this condition in your own fallen strength and say well I am not going to need anybody, that is not a sign of mental health to say I do not need anybody. We do, we will always need somebody but when the one that we need, the one who is filling our need is Christ he will meet our needs perfectly.
The relationships that we have today meet our needs imperfectly. We have a whole world full of people no one of which is completely satisfied and only some of which are content with what they have, because we are down here in this realm where our satisfaction is in our flesh. We must ascend and meet Christ in the air of his Spirit.
Alternate translation Daniel 9:22
And he came forth, and separated me from my carnal mind by intertwining it together with his mind and I received insight into the mind of God and I was comforted.
I am going to change that round a little to make it a little clearer. I am going to call it an amplified translation of Daniel 9:22.
And Gabriel said I am spreading forth and intertwining my mind, (I think I did not tell you that spreading forth). And he came forth well I do not see it down here but that word I do not know why it is not down here.
That Hebrew word that is translated 'came forth' Strong's 3318 it means to germinate or to expand as a plant. Now remember Christ is the seed and he could be the scripture says he is at the bottom of the ship. Sometimes he is at the bottom of the ship and sometimes he comes up. He inflates and he deflates in accordance with his will.
So the potential for Christ within Daniel's mind the whole time, why? Because the Spirit of God was upon him, and when the Lord wanted to speak to Daniel that seed expanded and came forth and overshadowed his carnal mind. So to me to say he spread himself out, he increased himself like a balloon that was blown up so that it could be seen. So that to me that is clearer than saying he came forth and that is why I am using that translation.
And Gabriel said I am spreading forth and intertwining my mind with your carnal mind. And now Daniel is speaking and he separated me from my carnal mind, and gave me insight into the mind of God and I was comforted.
I think I really should say there that and he separated me from my carnal mind and intertwined himself ( I have to work on that) and he intertwined his mind with mine and I had insight into the mind of God and I was comforted.
Verse 23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to show thee; for thou at greatly beloved, therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.
And let me remind you again that Gabriel is a given name which is used to describe the mind of Christ in the man Daniel. And we worked this out in our series on Daniel 8.
At the beginning of thy supplication, supplication is a prayer for mercy, the commandment came forth. The commandment is Strong's 1697 and that means the wisdom of God, came forth to expand like a plant and I am come to show thee. That word come is a different word than came forth. It is Strong's 935 and it means to enter in. Gabriel entered into Daniel's conscious mind.
And to show is Strong's 5046, it means to bring light, to declare, to proclaim. He increased Daniel's understanding he shed light on areas of darkness.
I will like to point out to you here that it is not enough to have the wisdom of God; the wisdom of God must be explained to us. The scripture says wisdom is good but by all means get understanding. Now we have talked about that a lot here. There are a lot of Christians here today have the wisdom of God, they will prophesy but they have an incorrect understanding, and they stumble, and they cause others to stumble because they do not understand that wisdom and understanding are two difference gifts.
And the fact that you have wisdom, what is wisdom it is communication from God. it is the words of God, it is the symbols of God but if you do not have the understanding which interprets it, you can really get into trouble and you can cause others to get into trouble. How can you get into trouble? Well you can think that it means something that it does not, and take it as the perfect word of God. You can get into financial trouble, you can get into emotional trouble, you can get into spiritual trouble. How? By doing something that you should not do that will produce ungodly fruit. You can lose your finances, you can marry the wrong person, you can go to one church when God sends you to another and you could miss the spiritual blessing.
Why? Because you did not pray about what that wisdom meant, you assumed that because the wisdom came forth from you or because it came forth from someone else and you recognise that it is the wisdom of God, you assumed that you also have the ability to understand what God was saying to you and you were wrong.
So just take this as a warning. When you hear wisdom you have to pray about it. And when you think you know what it means, check it out with the Lord. I all the time I say Father this is what I think it means, if this is not true please correct me. You must pray continuously for guidance from the Lord.
And I have come to show thee for thou art greatly beloved and the word beloved is Strong's 2530, it means to be delighted in. It is the same; it is the equivalent of the word beloved in the Greek that we have been dealing with in our series Jesus in the Jordan.
Alternate translation the first half of Daniel 9:23
The Spirit of Christ manifested as soon as you began to pray for mercy, but because you are a delight to the Father, I have entered into your conscious mind to give you understanding as well.
You prayed for mercy. He gave you mercy and you are going to get understanding. You are not only going to be delivered but you are going to understand how you are going to be delivered and why you are going to be delivered. God always gives you more than you ask for. And it is a super monumental mistake to say to the Lord this is my problem and this is how I want you to answer it. This is my solution for my problem may I have it. It is a super monumental mistake because he has an answer for your problem that is so far beyond your wildest dreams that you cannot even imagine. Do not tell you elder what to do. He loves you and you may be hurting at the moment but the day will come that you will thank him for everything he has done in your life. You just do not understand it now.
Continue with the second half of Daniel 9:23
Therefore understand the matter and consider the vision. I have come to give you understanding as well as mercy. Therefore now understand the matter and consider the vision.
Understand and again this is Strong's 995, therefore distinguish the matter. The matter is Strong's 1697 meaning speech or the meaning of words. Therefore distinguish my speech, understand that this is the wisdom of God. That it is not a pigment of your imagination, it is not some carnal mind talking to you but understand that this is the wisdom of God and that the wisdom of God is different and has different rules associated with it and the carnal mind.
And consider the vision, consider is 995 again, distinguish the vision and the vision is 4758 that which you see. So listen to my words and look at what you see and understand that this is not the mind of men but that this is the mind of God and that it will surely come to pass.
Alternate translation second half of Daniel 9:23; therefore use the authority in Christ which has been given to you.
How is it given to him? The mind of Christ was just woven together with his carnal mind. Therefore use this authority to distinguish between the truth of God's mind and the error of your own carnal mind. I have now given you the ability to tell the difference but you must use it.
Brethren we have a whole church world filled with people in whom Christ is being formed and they do not use it. They think that every thought in their mind is Christ and because they are not waging the warfare just about every thought in their mind is the carnal mind. It has been imparted to you, now you must call it up. You must ask God to steer it up in you. You must exercise it. You must practice using the mind of Christ. Knowing that there are two minds available to you and they are both waging war against each other to be your thoughts.
And you must be an active participant in this warfare by praying consistently and continuously to the Lord for his mind. If you do not ask for it the chances are very great that you are hearing from your carnal mind. Why? Because he wants you to exercise using his mind, he wants you to call upon his name and ask him to steer up his spirit in you.
I tell you here all the time. I pray continuously Lord what do you think about that? Did I see that with your eyes? Is that your mind telling me that? What is your evaluation of that problem? What spirit was that in that person? What do you think? What is your solution to this problem? He wants you to seek his counsel.
Now when you are young, he will give you his counsel if you do not ask for it. But brethren if you are hearing this tape you are not a baby anymore. And he is going to push you out of that nest one way or another. If you are already moving into seeking his counsel praise the Lord. But we have some people I am not insulting anybody, we have some people that like staying babies. They are very comfortable being a baby. They feel safe but you cannot be a 35 year old baby. It is not acceptable to God you can be a two year old baby. And then we have some Christians that do not understand that this is required of them.
You have got to start making decisions on your own. You cannot expect God to just give you all the answers, give you, give you, give you, you have got to start doing for yourself. But you should know that he is behind you, make your decision and then say well how did I do Father?
I say it all the time, Lord this is my judgement, this is my evaluation, this is what I think and this also is my solution to the problem. What do you think? Did I do it or did I mess up? Is my evaluation in line with your mind? Is my solution in line with your mind? Correct me before I do the deed. I pray that way all the time. And he wants you to pray that way or a similar way, I am not asking you to pray exactly as I pray.
He wants you to learn to function on your own. This is what it means to be begotten of seed. You see when you have the imputed anointing, he is there giving you instructions without understanding and you obey like a robot. But he has better promises for you brethren. He has a promise for you he wants you to be a son of God. He wants you to exercise all of his authority that is in heaven and in earth. And he is not talking about robots. He is talking about thinking, functioning, human beings who have been begotten of seed, who have started from a small impartation of Christ in one and has grown and increased through experiences with God just as with your children.
As you raise your children you know that they must be taught to make choices they must be taught to be able to make decisions to evaluate problems. Do you want the green pencil or the blue pencil Johnny? To be begotten of seed is a condition whereby your carnal mind is woven together with the mind of Christ permanently and you grow. You grow up into Christ. Okay that is also called the imparted anointing and that is available to us today under the old covenant that was not available to them. They had the imputed anointing but their mind was woven together with Christ only temporarily for a specific purpose of the Father. And then there was a withdrawal. The interweaving together starts with a small at a small point and the interweaving continues until such time as the interweaving is complete which event is known as standing up in full stature.
The covenant that the Lord had with Israel did not provide for being begotten of seed. They were not begotten of seed they did not grow up from a small child into a full grown adult. That is what is happening to us today, we are starting out as small children in Christ. The scripture clearly states that we are under tutors and governors and we shall arrive at a place where we are fully mature adults, spiritually adults sons of God whereby we shall enter into the age of the ages live without end.
Now natural Israel did not have this option. They did not start as a small child and grow up, they were formed as an adult. They were formed as a spiritual adult, why? Because God had a work for them to do and he will not bind his mind together with their minds, with the minds of the prophets, with the minds of the priests for his purposes basically to bring forth the scriptures and for whatever else he did in those days.
And then Israel passed away because they did not it was not a permanent anointing. It was an anointing because they did not grow up into it, it was an anointing that could be lost. When we grow up into it into the fullness of the stature of the Lord Jesus Christ when we get there that anointing cannot be lost. It can be lost along the way and once again we find that warring factions in the church frequently have some truth on each side. You know that there is a camp that says once saved always saved well once you are in full stature you are always saved amen. And then the other camp says no way you can lose your salvation.
Well if you are just starting out you certainly can abort. And I find out almost across the board wherever there is an argument amongst factions in the church they are both correct. Because there is different categories of believers in the church and different categories of people in the world and they are both correct one towards one category of people and the other towards the other category of people.
Brethren we must get wisdom we must understand that this bible is not a simple thing. The Jews have been studying it for centuries and they still study it is fathomless. The depths of it is fathomless, are fathomless. So there are questions we must ask ourselves if we are making a statement. Who is this statement directed to? What group of people? Under what conditions?
We must grow up and God will have a people who will grow up in Christ unto the fullness of the stature of the Lord Jesus Christ and if you want to be one of them you have to lend your ear to this kind of teaching and ask the Lord to help you to make it a part of your life.
You have to give up your childish ways of thinking that answers are simple because they are not. And there are simple answers for those of you who may be hearing this tape, if you are persistent then you are killing God's people. If you apply a spiritual or scriptural principle to a man who is not in the category that that scripture is directed towards, you can hurt his walk in Christ. You can cause him to backslide, you can damage him, you have to answer for it brethren. Hallelujah.
The Lord is winking at children in the church but if you are called to go on then you have lost your privilege of childish immunity. Okay let us try and go on with this. Hallelujah.
The alternate translation the second half of Daniel 9:23: Therefore use the authority in Christ which has been given to you to distinguish between the truth of God's mind and the error of your carnal mind.
So that is what this whole teaching was about. It is not enough to receive it, it is not even enough to have Christ being formed in you, I have been teaching you for a while you have to live out of it and we are find Daniel 9 teaching use it. That is just another way of saying what I have been teaching here for a couple of years.
It is not enough to well if you do not have it, you have to get it. A lot of Christians do not have it. Do not have what? Do not have the person of Christ being formed in them they just have the Holy Spirit which is the seed which is the potential to have him formed in you. Then there is a category of believers in whom he is being formed, and what is in that category is two categories, one that are using that mind or living out of it, and another group of believers that are not using that mind and not living out of it.
And the scriptures if you are not living out of it, you have buried his talent the silver of your salvation under the earth of your carnal mind. And when the Lord of the heavens comes he is going to take it away from you and you will have nothing, okay.
Once again I am not here to scare you. I am here to stir you up, to start doing your part this is not a vacation. I have had dream after dream, after dream, after dream where the Lord is showing me the church world is a vacation land. They think they are on vacation. This is not a vacation you are in the army, believe it or not, you are in the army, God help us. We are in the army, hallelujah.
Okay I have a translation of the whole of Daniel 9:23. The spirit of Christ manifested as soon as you began to pray for mercy but because you are a delight to the Father I have entered into your conscious mind to give you understanding as well. Therefore use the authority in Christ which has been given to you to distinguish between the truth of God's mind and the error of your carnal mind.
Verse 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy.
Seventy weeks, now let me remind you of my exaltation at the beginning of this message. These seventy weeks is not to be taken as a natural seventy weeks. We are now in a spiritual covenant this is prophecy to a spiritual church and I am suggesting to you that the term seventy weeks is not seventy weeks as we natural human beings will take them. So let us find out what it means.
The word seventy is 7657 and it means completion. Seven, the number seven means completion and ten typifies the realm of appearance. The number seventy in accordance with the bible numerology will be completion in the realm of appearance or completion of the realm of appearing.
Brethren did you know that this realm of appearance is incomplete. We know that we are complete in Christ, which again by reverse inference means if Christ is not in us we must be incomplete. And the same principle applies to this realm of appearance of Christ if not in it, it is incomplete.
I do not know about you but I do not see Christ in that mess out there. I know particularly believe that the flowers are going to spring up after you step on them. I do not know what it is going to look like out there but it is not going to be the mess that is out there now.
I will say that that realm of appearance out there is lacking Christ and it is therefore incomplete and that is way it is dying. The realm of appearance is dying to the fullest degree that we are dying. Mankind is dying and the planet is dying even though he did not know the planet is dying. So first men will be completed and then the whole planet will be completed, so seventy is speaking about the completion of the realm of appearance.
And the word weak is Strong's 7620 and that word means to be sevened. To be sevened it is talking about a time period that is divided into seven segments and a week is divided into seven days in the day time period that is divided into seven days.
Now if we are using our carnal mind we know that a day is 24 hours. We also know that the creation was made in seven days or is being made in seven days it is not completed. And these days are not twenty four hour days.
But the creation is being done in seven stages and some Christians might say well one day is as a thousand years so each day is a thousand years. I am not really convinced of that but I will not be arguing with anybody about it. But I go so far as to say that the creation has been sevened, it has been divided into seven stages. Seven days the scripture says I am not convinced about how long those days are.
Now God did em I think on that tape Heaven and Earth God did bring forth a revelation, (I may have the wrong tape) that just as in the book of revelation where we have seven seals or seven trumpets and the last trumpet is divided into seven more, anybody not know what I am talking about? That last trumpet is divided into seven also and the Lord brought forth the revelation in one of those tapes that at the beginning of the book of revelation he is talking about the whole generation in Genesis 1:1. And then he breaks down what he did for us into seven days but in Genesis 1:1 and maybe 1:2 (I do not remember the exact verses) it is an overview of the whole creation. And then as we go on in the book of Genesis chapter 1 he breaks it down into seven stages. We talked about that in a recent tape.
So what am I suggesting to you? I am suggesting to you that this term weak is referring to this divided age. This age, in which the creation is being made, in which the creation is still being formed. Does anybody not know that the creation is still being formed that man is in the likeness of God, we are not yet in the image of God? That the greater works, that we are going to do is to engrave the image of the Father on the souls of men. Which souls are now engraved with the image of the beast, does anybody not know that? Do not worry about getting it you are born with it. There is no place you can run brethren. No place that you can run, you are born with it.
So seventy weeks, is the completion of the realm of appearance in the dividing age. It is talking about this age that we are living in, it is divided into seven stages being completed. And we are about to enter into the seventh day of this divide age which it the Sabbath day, which is the day of rest, the day that we cease from all labours. We are in the sixth day now; man is being made in the sixth day you may recall.
We are already in his likeness; the stage is set for us to come into his image if the process has begun for some of us. And when we do come into the image of the Father, we shall enter into the Sabbath day rest, the ends of this age. Okay, anybody having a problem with that?
Seventy weeks are determined upon my people; brethren I just said it, I do not think anyone picked it out. Did anyone pick up what I have just said? The ends of this age Paul said it.
Now all these things happened unto them for examples brethren and they are written for our admonition upon whom the ends of the world are come, 1st Corinthians 10:11.
I am suggesting to you that what we are talking about here is the end of the division of time. I am suggesting to you that we are talking about the end of the divided age. Brethren the age that is greatest out of all the ages is not going to be a divided age. How do I know it is not going to be a divided age? What is another name for the age that is the greatest of all the ages? Does anybody know?
The age of ages it is a name it is the name of a man. This is the age of fallen Adam. Who is the next? The age of Christ, Brethren have you heard that Christ is not divided? Christ is not divided brethren. So this divided age is coming to an end, this age which is divided into segments, this age which is divided because there is a drop of it in each of you. And we are divided because of the boundaries of these prison house bodies that we live in, we are separated from each other. We are at enmity with one another because we are at enmity with God. The age is divided on every level. The houses we live in are separated from our neighbours; it is a divided age on every level.
And we are passing from this age which is coming to an end into an undivided age of Christ. And I will take this opportunity to tell you again, all you people that are having a problem with this that the ultimate when we ultimately move into the age of Christ completely into it there will be no boundaries. There will be no walls in someone's house separating you from your neighbour and neither will there be anybody any human body separating you from your brethren. We will all be spirit brethren and we will flow together as an ocean flows together.
So if you are hoping for a personal glorified body I am sorry to tell you but your thoughts are carnal. I do not condemn you but grow up brethren grow up. Christ is not divided you are not this body, neither are you this soul, you are spirit. You are manifestation of an immature spiritual life of Christ. If you have been quickened if you have not been quickened you are totally dead in your sins.
If you human spirit has been touched, you are being quickened you are an infant in Christ. But when you grow up to the fullness of the stature of the Lord Jesus Christ you shall be pure spirit and when you are pure spirit and I am pure spirit and everybody is pure spirit we will be existing without walls, without boundaries and we will all be one. And we will have to be a part of the whole and there is no individual glory for you, and your reward will be whatever that glory is from being nothing in Christ, being nothing in Christ will be greater than the greatest thing you can achieve in your independence in this world.
And I know it is hard to believe but if you cannot receive it put it on the shelve I tell you the truth. God has great things in store for us and we must stop fighting to stay where we are. We must yield up our members unto him, so that he can raise us up to where he wants to raise up to. And the whole church is fighting him, the whole world is fighting him, the whole church is fighting him, they do not want to go forward but you have to go forward. You have to grow up. He is going to through you out of that nest. You cannot continue in your infancy. Hallelujah.
And I will just like to point out to you that in the verse that I had just read you, 1st Corinthians 10:11, the phrase the ends of the world are come, that word world if you look it up in the Greek it means ages, it is .... the ends of the ages or the ends of the divided age is upon us.
Let me give you that from another perspective again, we were saying earlier that you are the sum total of all of your ancestors going all the way back, does anybody not remember me saying that? I said it in a little different way. I said you are responsible for the sins of your ancestors because you are them. That the human race is like a plant and your family life is like a planting, and the old leaves die and fall off, and new leaves are put forth but the spiritual root of your existence is your ancestors. Does anybody or is anybody having a problem with that?
In that way you are a divided age. Your family line the spiritual root of your family line has been divided into many, many lifetimes of many offspring, and that is going to come to an end. In Christ there is not going to be such a thing as your great grandfather being dead and you being alive. Everything is going to be one in the present in the now in Christ.
We are all going to be experiencing everything that Christ experienced from the beginning of time when he started to grow up in the flesh, and we will be partakers of all the glory that he is which is the sum total of everything that he experienced since he has been on the earth. I cannot even imagine what that is going to be like. But giving up our independence we will be greater and the greatest thing you can imagine.
Did you know that communism grew out of studying the bible? Only when men tried to do it, it did not work. It will work in God. It will work in God there are many Christian communes that it is not working with. The people are damaged, they lose all their monies, all their possessions, they are hurt and they fall into sexual sin, but I want to tell you when the proper age comes when the Lord Jesus Christ does it, you will give up everything and you will have all things in common and it will work and it will be glorious. Do not do it before the time. Hallelujah
Continuing this is a long verse we are continuing with Daniel 9:24. I will read it for you again.
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people, the ends of the ages are determined to come upon Israel and upon the holy city. Israel is the spirit of the nation and the holy city is referring to the soul. To finish the transgression, now this is one of the ends of the ages that is coming upon you this is why, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.
Okay let us try and find out what that means. The word determined seventy weeks are determined upon thy people Strong's 2852 means to decree, and a decree is an official order. I am going to suggest to you that the Lord God has made a decree, he has handed down an order that this age which is divided on every level which is also known as hell, separation from God shall come to an end.
And the reason that he is ending it is because it is hell, it is filled with sin. That word transgression means revalue and is filled with sin and there is also iniquity and we will find out to seal up that vision is talking about this world system. He is going to do away with the wickedness and the pain and the torment of this divided age. God has decreed it.
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people, thy people Strong's 5971 and it can mean people, race or tribe the common people. I suggest to you the common people of Israel I am not talking about the priest, I am not talking about the prophets, but talking about the common every day people not the leadership. The ends of the ages are coming upon the common people. It is the whole world brethren, in this hour the whole world is Israel.
Let me remind you in case you have not heard that teaching here, God started with one man Abraham and he went to Isaac, and he went to Jacob, and on the third generation there, he spread out into Jacob's twelve sons and there was an increase, and that was the nation of Israel but in this hour he has increased to the whole world.
Now I remind you brethren all Israel is not Israel, and all natural Israel was not Israel, and this whole is not Israel but as far as God is concerned we are Israel everybody is not walking in it. How can that be? The first fruit brethren has been sanctified and glorified and he has done it for the whole world and it is available to everybody but everybody is not walking in it.
So the common people is this whole world. The ends of the ages has come upon the whole world not just the church. Natural Israel thinks it is them, the church thinks it is them, no it is the whole world brethren. This is God's creation and it has not just come upon the priests and the prophets, it has come upon the common people. Do you know that if you are in Christ, if you are member of the church you are a king and a priest? Well the ends of the world have not come just for you, it comes for the common people.
And I want to tell you, the Lord is not pleased with the condemnation that the church is sending out to the common people, to the people that are in darkness to the people are in ignorance, the Lord is not pleased with the condemnation that is going towards them. Halleluiah. There is a change coming.
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city I think I mentioned that already. The people it is referring to the common people. The holy city is by the word city it means dwelling place, and the word holy means sanctuary. So the Lord's city is the body of Christ, and upon thy holy city now it is not fallen Jerusalem, to be a holy city it must be New Jerusalem.
So the ends of the ages are coming upon the common people and upon the holy city. It is coming upon the whole world and it is coming upon the high priesthood. It is coming upon the whole world, and upon the church, and upon the elders of the church, the true body of Christ. There is a church within a church. It is coming upon the whole world, the church and the inner circle. And there is an inner circle whether you like it or not. You can call it pride if you want to call it pride. If it is true it is not pride brethren. Pride is a spirit that is not of the spirit of God, truth is of God.
There is an inner circle; everybody is not the same in Christ. It is not true if you believe it, you have bought a lie. Why is everybody not the same? Because in this hour Christ is growing up from seed, and he is more mature in some people than he is in other people. Now if you are all lifted up in pride because of that or for using it to Lord yourself over somebody, you are going to be chastened severely of the Lord. But it is the truth everybody is not equal in Christ, not true, not true.
Alternate translation the first quarter of Daniel 9:24; Expend decreed by God that the body of Christ as well as the whole human race shall experience the ends of the ages.
Why? Continuing with the second quarter of Daniel 9:24: To finish the transgression and to make an end of sins.
To finish Strong's 3607 meaning to restrain, to restrain the transgression, transgression 6588 meaning rebellion, to restrain their rebellion. What rebellion brethren? Satan's rebellion. Do you remember Daniel 8, Satan rose up at the beginning of time and she rebelled against righteous Adam's leadership. And she stole the seed of God, fertilised Eve, brought forth her carnal mind and carnal mind broke the bones of Christ, brought down righteous Adam and this fallen world system was born.
And the Lord is telling us Hallelujah in Daniel 9:24 that he has decreed that this rebellion will come to an end. Hallelujah and to make an end of sins, to make an end of Strong's 2856 to stop up or to complete. To stop up or to complete and the word sins Strong's 2403 a missed step, there was a missed step.
What was the missed step? Brethren, it sounds very simple but Eve populated with the wrong man. And as we found out she really did not even populate with the wrong man she was so deceived she copulated with the spiritual lesbian and brought forth a perversed bastard child that is us. Do not shut up the tape if you were not a bastard you will not need to be adopted. I am telling you the truth. Eve missed stepped, she made one bad mistake.
So God has decreed that the end of this age or that this age should come to an end because it is long enough. He is not going to tolerate this rebellion anymore and he is going to correct Eve's mistake. And of course I will like to point out to you that yes Eve did copulate with the wrong person but the man was not deceived brethren. Eve has paid the price but it was Adam's job to protect her and he did not do it. Glory to God.
Alternate translation the second quarter of Daniel 9:24. So that Satan's rebellion can be restrained.
Eve's adultery which resulted in the birth of the carnal mind, stopped or reversed. Stopped up, or the word says here to make an end or can be translated to complete. So he is going to complete Eve's adultery, complete, what is her adultery? It is us the carnal mind and we are going to be completed in Christ. Are we not? Is that not the scripture?
So we were born a partial child. Now remember the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is the partial tree, it is separated out from the tree of life. The tree of life can stand alone, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil cannot stand alone. We are a partial tree that is why we are dying. And Christ is going to be added to us, is in the process of being added to us to complete us. So Eve's misstep which is us her bastard offspring the carnal mind is going to be completed in Christ. This is an incredible message. Hallelujah.
Alternate translation I just read you that the second quarter of Daniel 9:24 So that Satan's rebellion can be restrained.
Eve's adultery which resulted in the birth of the carnal mind stopped up.
Continuing with the third quarter of Daniel 9:24: And to make reconciliation for iniquity.
And to make reconciliation Strong's 3722 to cover over or to pardon sin and what is iniquity? 5771 iniquity is the penalty for sin.
Brethren, sin is to do the misstep, the iniquity is the product of that sin. Eve bore bastard child. When we sin we bear demons, in ... the atmosphere you are being birthed by your own soul who was a harlot. And when she fornicates or commits adultery which is an incestuous adultery, when your human spirit commits incestuous adultery with your carnal mind, demons are produced and that is going to be stopped.
God is going to cover over or pardon the sin of iniquity, the penalty for sin and the penalty for Eve's misstep is the birthing of the carnal mind. So she the carnal mind is going to be covered over. Who is going to cover over the carnal mind? Christ, this is talking about the spiritual circumcision that is the second stage of the resurrection.
Remember the first stage of the resurrection is that Christ is underneath the carnal mind and will take spiritual authority over the carnal mind. He will take authority over it while he is still underneath her. Second stage of the resurrection, he will penetrate her and cover her over as a scab. Why? Because she is a wound in the creation and a scab is a part of the healing process.
Alternate translation the fourth fifth of Daniel 9:24 and the carnal mind covered over so that the creation can depart from this perverse age.
The ages are coming to an end. To cover over the carnal mind, okay the carnal mind is been covered over, the carnal mind is this age. And the carnal mind shall be covered over so that the creation can depart from this perverse age. I guess I broke it down into six parts here. And also the ages are coming to an end to bring in everlasting righteousness.
To bring in is John's 935 and it can be translated to enter into the house a husband. That is to bring in the mind of Christ is being made available to us. The word everlasting is Strong's 5769 and it is talking about the hidden time and that word if you study it out is talking about eternity. It is not talking about the life of the ages. Now remember the age which is greatest of all the ages is still existing in time. It will have a beginning and it will have an end. Eternity always was, is now and always will be.
Time let me put this on the board for you. Time is within eternity. Eternity is everywhere it has not beginning and it has no end and the Father has dropped something in the middle of eternity. It is called time, or the life of the ages and the eternal life of God is within the realm of time and beyond the realm of time. Time has a border a beginning and an end, eternity has no beginning and has no end. Is everybody okay on that?
After this procedure which is going to do all these things, it is going to correct the misstep, it is going to cover over the penalty for sin and then it is going to bring in the age of Christ or the mind Christ or the age of Christ which comes or which has running through it the eternal life of God. It is going to bring in the everlasting righteousness of God. It is entering into the realm of time. The righteousness of God that is eternal, that always existed that always will exist is penetrating the realm of time. This is the age of Christ the righteousness of God flowing through it equally with the flow that is outside of it.
The age that we are in now is the age of death. It exists within God but it is death existing within God. We have described it as a dead foetus, within eternity. And what is happening is that the eternal realm of God is penetrating into this realm of death and it is going to overtake it completely thus converting it from the age of death which is opposed to God which is opposite to God it is going to turn it towards God and it is going to be the same flow of the spirit inside that is outside. Is somebody confused here?
Time exists within eternity. Time has boundaries, eternity has no boundaries and because the creation fell it can be likened to a dead foetus inside of a woman, like a cancer. Something within God that was opposing him or that is opposing him and his answer for this problem is to penetrate. You know when you have a cancer you have a new therapy called laser therapy and it will penetrate the cancer or it will penetrate the growth and bust it out from the inside out. It is the latest medical technology. That is what God is doing he is penetrating the cancer.
This age, this world is called hell. He is penetrating it and instead of destroying it, which he has been doing these thousands of years, because God destroys sin he is now going to change it from the inside out and bring the everlasting righteousness of God inside it as well as outside of it, there by preserving it. That is the promise of scripture that is the purpose of the lake of fire, when the beast in the false prophet is thrown into the lake of fire the purpose of it is that the sinful elements of this creation will be preserved. They will no longer be able to produce death. They are still going to be there but they will not be able to produce death. And the natural example that we have for this is the cyanide that is locked into the apple peats. You can eat apple peats and not die even though there are cyanides in the apple peats why? Because the cyanide is bound, some people eat apple peats they say it is good for you.
The death in the pot is bound, the prophets were making a stew and they put in the wrong the goad and they said Elisha there is death in the pot. And Elisha did not throw away the whole pot he added some additional herbs which purified the brew. That is what Jesus is doing. We are death he is not throwing us away. He is adding himself to us. He is the salt of the earth. He is the preservative. He will bind up the elements in us that are causing death. He is not throwing them away they are necessary they have a function. He is going to bind them up and that which is death will become life.
That is why there is no eternal life in the casting out of demons. That ministry is necessary, God only knows I know how necessary it is but it is ministry to the man that is imperfect. It is ministry to the carnal man, it will never produce eternal life it is the mercy of God. The only thing that will produce eternal life is that addition of Christ to your soul. It is the only thing that is going to produce it.
You cannot stop with deliverance ministry. It is important, it has a function, I am all for it, I do it and I receive it but it is not the end. Christ is the end. And we are lacking, we are lacking, so you cannot take something away from someone that is lacking and give them life. We must have something added to us. Life is in the addition of Christ. Life is in union with Christ, it is the only way you are going to get everlasting life or eternal life. It is through union with Christ.
Alternate translation this is the fifth sixth of Daniel 9:24. By entering into the age of eternal righteousness through union with her true husband the Lord Jesus Christ, and the carnal mind covered over shall be covered over with Christ so that the creation can depart from this perverse age by entering into the age of eternal righteousness through union with her true husband the Lord Jesus Christ.
Let me show you this on the board, this is all review. We draw out spiritual being with circles here just to make things simple. This is the carnal mind of a man and in the midst of that mind is appearing a new mind. It is called Christ. And this is the carnal mind okay and we have to get from the carnal mind into Christ. Okay.
Now I want to show it to you a different way. I am going to draw the two circles side by side just to give you a better understanding. They are really one within the other. In the centre of our being this is the carnal mind and this is Christ. In the centre of our being what is in the centre of our being? I hear in the spirit she is in the centre and she is the harlot and she is joined with Satan, and she has produced the carnal mind and now the carnal mind surrounds her. He is the soul or he is her flesh.
Now over here, and her husband is Satan he is the male, she is the female and this carnal mind is her offspring. Now have another soul growing within her she is extending into Christ. She is a harlot. She has two husbands at the same time. She is having sex with the father, who was in her mind in the form of the Holy Spirit and she has Lord willing produced Christ in your mind. And she has two offspring Christ is the heir of the promise and the carnal mind is the bastard.
Let me show that to you. She is going to depart from this perverse age through union with her husband the Lord Jesus Christ. So this is her condition, if Christ is being formed in you, this is your spiritual condition.
James says the double minded man is unstable in all his ways. You have two minds the carnal mind and Christ. Your human spirit is engaged in a spiritual sexual union with both of them and you are a spiritual perversion and your deliverance is going to come as your human spirit as Christ increases and increases and your human spirit runs into Christ. And as she runs into Christ she is getting smaller and smaller, she is spirit she flows, she is not solid like this body. And less and less of her is in the carnal mind and the day is coming the scripture said brethren God is giving me a very racy ministry. Can you see it how sexual this is? Can you see it?
And the way she is entering into Christ is that every time she agrees with the mind of Christ, she penetrates into her soul and then there is a withdrawal. Because none of us abide in Christ all the time, she falls back into the carnal mind. And she penetrates into Christ and she falls back into the carnal mind. Every time you are overcome you fall back. Every time you think with the carnal thought you are slipping back into your carnal mind. And it is a penetration and it is a withdrawal, and the scripture says in the book of Revelation that one day she is going to thrust into Christ and the walls is going to close behind her and she is not going to come back out.
And when that day happens when she is completely in here, Christ our God who is the consuming fire, known as the lake of fire is going to spray this carnal mind with the fire of God and utterly consume it. Christ is the lake of fire and when Eve is safely out of it he is going to destroy it completely. He starts to burn it slowly, if everything is simultaneous action, first the Holy Spirit comes when he conceives Christ and she starts to experiment with him. Now remember Christ starts as a mustard seed and so he has only a limited ability to burn the carnal mind. And as Christ penetrates into him as he grows up he has a greater ability to burn the carnal mind. It is a simultaneous action as she enters into Christ the fire comes upon the carnal mind.
COMMENT: Is that full stature?
PASTOR VITALE: It is full stature when the human spirit is safely in Christ with no residue of her in the carnal mind. And the carnal mind comes under the lake of fire which is the preservative of God. Because the carnal mind, I know the scripture say she is being destroyed but if you look that word up and if you have any spiritual understanding, if you do not have ask the Lord for it he will explain it to you, it is not destruction as human men know destruction. She will be destroyed she will die to everything that she is in this world system which is death. And she will exist in a new form whereby she will be incapable of producing sin. The misstep will be corrected and she will perform her function which is she is made of the earth she is here to give a form to this spiritual creation that is what her function is, not to produce sin, not to kill us, not to create woe that is existing today.
So the lake of fire, although the scripture says that Satan will be tormented if you look up that word in the Greek, what is really means is that Satan will be forced to conform to the righteous mind of Christ. That word tormented if you take it back to its root it means forced to the bottom, forced to the bottom. She is being forced into the authority of Christ.
Now not to be able to live in the way that you are created, or in the way that you will like to, to the carnal mind is torment but this is not torment as the human being is tormented. Now what is going to be tormented the way the carnal mind is devised for life of the ages; she will be restrained from creating sin or from being a manifestation of hell, or of causing the creation any damage or harm. She is not going to be in torment, she is going to be brought into submission. She is going to brought into her proper order. She is going to be reined in, she is going to be forced into the role that God created her for.
And we found that in the book of Revelation. We are going to penetrate into Christ and bounce back, and penetrate into Christ and bounce back and one day we are going to go flying in and we are not going to come out. And this is all happening in the mind; it is all happening in the mind.
And I want to tell you that when I first came to the Lord, I came to the Lord with a bang. I was very involved in the occult and I had a terrible experience, and I had a vision this demon (whatever it was) the demon was trying to take over my mind. I really do not know what would have happened if the Lord ever let it happen but it was trying to take over my mind and I was seeing a vision. And in this vision there was a whole line of men wearing white gowns and they were holding arms locking each other's head. A line of defence and there was this purple entity that kept trying to penetrate their lives, this was my dream.
It will pierce through and be forced out, and I can see because they where white and this entity was purple. And it will pierce through and it will be forced out, penetrate and pull back, penetrate and pull back and then one day it broke through. Well that is what Christ is doing in your mind.
And the more you join with him in this warfare the faster it is going to go. So there is a certain limit you can only go so fast. But I do not know about you but I will like to go as fast as I can possibly go. Did you have a question?
COMMENT: Yes I just wondered if Christ did the same thing. I mean Jesus withdrew and came I know in the book of Solomon I think it says where he withdrew from her and then she saw him and he came back again. Will that be the same like he was an example of what we are going to do with him? Is that right?
PASTOR VITALE: You mean does the man Jesus of Nazareth have this experience? Is that what you are asking me?
COMMENT: No, he did that, did he do that, he came and like he withdraws from us? Jesus seeks us.
PASTOR VITALE: Right.
COMMENT: And then he withdraws.
PASTOR VITALE: Oh yes.
COMMENT: And he has done that a lot, so that we are doing now the same thing. Now we are following that example that he did, we are going towards him and withdrawing.
PASTOR VITALE: Yes it goes both ways, the Holy Spirit penetrates us and impregnates us with Christ and then when we start to rise in Christ we have to pierce Christ. It is two penetrations we have this on other tapes, there are two penetrations. Christ pierces us to plant the seed and then when Christ got to be formed in us we have to pierce into his life. Two penetrations and that is also the stitch that is knitting us back together with him. We found out that Jesus is the needle, and that each of us is a thread that is going through the eye of the needle, because he is weaving a garment, we are all part of the same garment.
And if you study Isaiah 53 in the Hebrew that restoration in Christ is a sewing together that is what the Hebrew word means to be sewed together. So he is the needle the sharp penetrating instrument he is penetrating our minds our soul. He is laying his seed and impregnating us and then we have to penetrate back out that is the stitch. He goes in and he comes out and he is doing that in each and every one of us he is sewing us all together.
He is sewing himself to us and each of us together and we are going to find that as we go on. How is everybody doing? I think you are all okay. Are you all okay? I think we will finish this verse and then we will take a break okay?. We will take a 15 minutes break and if you can handle it I will finish it off. It is very exciting.
We continue with the sixth, seventh of Daniel 9:24: And also he is going to seal up the vision and the prophesy.
This word seal up is Strong's 2856 and it means to set the seal upon, or to seal up, or to complete. We must have talked about this earlier. I must have got ahead of myself because the word vision and we find this in Daniel 8 it is Strong's 2377 and we found out that that word can mean this world system.
This world system is a vision. It is a vision in the mind of a superior being it is not real. It is an illusion. The only reason it is real for us is because we are fallen. It is the same thing as saying if you see a little girl playing in a fantasy house. If you buy her a big ginger bread house or something that they make for child and she is inside feeding her dolls and everything. It is very real for her but it is not real for you.
And the only reason we can be hurt by this world is because we are fallen. It is a product this whole world including our bodies is a product of a fallen mind, our carnal mind. And we are trapped here, Jesus is not trapped her.
You see, the whole church world will tell you that we are crashing into hell to get the captives out, No brethren we are in hell and Lord willingly we are going to crash out of hell. Jesus is not bound to this world. He has escaped from hell. The man Jesus of Nazareth the first man to escape from hell. It sounds like a movie, how do you escape from hell? I tell you the truth. We cannot get out. It is one thing to come here and minister and know that you can get back out. We cannot get out.
So he is also going to seal up the vision or to complete he is going to complete the vision. He is going to make us whole by adding himself to it and he is going to make this vision this physical world, this visible world he is going to make it whole by adding his mind to it.
Now remember we are a product of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that has separated from the tree of life. We are a partial tree we cannot exist without the tree of life that is why we are dying and the whole world is dying. So he is going to complete us and he is going to complete the vision because it is God's purpose that there should be a physical world.
And this word prophesy, he is going to seal up the vision and the prophesy. Now here is another instance where the King James writers could not figure this out and this is a deliberate misinterpretation, a mistranslation of the word. The word is clearly Prophet Strong's 5030 it is a different word that is translated prophesy, this is the word for prophet. They could not make any sense out of it at all so they changed it to prophesy.
And I am going to remind you and suggest to you that we found out another scripture that Eve our human spirit is the false prophet and she is responsible for everything spiritual in man. Eve cannot exist by herself. She is typified by women the way they used to be, not women in this society but in cultures like in India up until very recently if a man died they burnt his wife along with his dead body because there was no one to take care of her, there was no way to provide food for her. In the American Indian if her husband died and she did not have a grown son to take care of her she was left out to die in the winter. ..... in this world but spiritually that is still the reality. Women cannot exist without a man. Our human spirit cannot exist without a man. This world will not exist if Eve did not, was not in union with the male spirit and if she had not produced an offspring. And also in societies of other days if a woman did not produce a child her husband will get rid of her or get a second wife. You have to have a child to be valid. None of this is true in our society today but for thousands of years it was true of human man and woman.
So Eve is responsible for everything spiritual that occurs in humanity. When she is manifesting with her husband Satan and her offspring the carnal mind that spirituality or that spiritual ministry is called witchcraft. If you are blessed enough to have a relationship with the Lord and you move in the gifts of the spirit, if you are spiritual in Christ that spirituality is a result of your human spirit in union with the Father and her offspring the Christ. She is involved in everything spiritual that manifest through a human being either with one family or with the other family she is a harlot.
And the challenge to all of us is to keep her in Christ and to live out of Christ. But you know sometimes through the family line curses and demons and problems in your carnal mind, it is possible that she can be so strengthened that she is out there doing her own thing even though you are exerting all the strength that you can exert to stay in Christ. And because she has been strengthened by a family line curse or a demon or some sin, she is out there doing her thing and you are dragged down into that sin even though it is totally against your will.
And I remind you again, you have heard me say this to you before, there is a difference between backsliding and being overcome. When you backslide you are in agreement you just let go and you do the sin but there is such a thing as being overcome screaming all the way down to bottom, Jesus help me and he will bring you back up. There is a difference.
There is a difference in the motivation and there is a difference in the result. If you backslide at the discretion of the Lord, I do not know how he makes these decisions you can be put out of the congregation for a season. I know people that have been locked out of the congregation of God, the spiritual family of God they have been locked out for up to 25 or 30 years. I have spoken to people who have given me this testimony, wanted to come back into Christ. I know one woman right now cannot get back in, cherubim standing there with flaming swords and they are out there in the world.
When you are overcome the Lord will bring you back. He will bring you back as fast as possible and what is as fast as possible? You have work through the problem, that curse that overcame you or that demon that caused you to be overcome has to be dealt with. And if you are working with God and if you are willing to confess the sin and to repent when he shows you your contribution to it, he will bring you back as fast as you can work it through. So if you are screaming all the way down, it really should not be that long you know.
When I was sick, when I was overcome in my body, I think I was sick for almost a year or I was sick for a long time. I think I was not preaching, I think I was not preaching for a whole year. But I should have died so I came back pretty fast. Glory to God.
If you fall in your mind and your body is not damaged and you are walking with God all the way it should not even be a year, you should really come back pretty fast. If you are not coming back fast it is because you have pride. Well if you are not willing to confess your sins it is probably that you have pride.
So we are saying that the decree of the Lord the last thing we are talking about is that he is going to seal up the vision of this world system and he is going seal up or complete the process. And he is going to complete the false prophet, it does not say false prophet but I am calling it false prophet. He is going to join with the false prophet Eve. He is going to bring forth Christ in her thus completing her.
If you read that scripture that we are complete in Christ, and if you think that you have got it now, you are mistaken brethren. If you say you can see there is nothing the Lord Jesus Christ can do for you. If you are not blind you do not need them to open your eyes and you are going to die in your sins.
The bible is filled with promises that have not yet been given to us and they are not going to be received after your body dies. They are going to be received in the flesh. Judgement is in the flesh. Judgement of the flesh is here and now so that we can learn to live after the spirit in the here and the now. But we do have not entered into the season for it. If you can walk in a large measure of victory in Christ, if you are living for him and confessing that you are not perfect in that you have not you are not walking in the sinlessness yet.
But for those of us that are hearing this message, I believe we are going to be alive when the door opens, when the opportunity opens for full completion in Christ. And as soon as we enter into season those virgins that have oil in their lamps are going to ascend right in. You have to be ready. Does not Jesus say watch and wait? The good man of the house is coming and you know not the hour when. This is not a vacation land. I am telling you. The people out there they are not being taught properly may God have mercy on their souls.
If you are hearing this message, you are blessed. At least you stand the chance of going before your God and if you do all can do he will meet you and he will bring you. You cannot do anymore than you can do. Do not look at your neighbour, do not look at your friend, do not look at me, and do not think that you have to do what I do.
I had someone that was having a real anxiety attack until I found out what was going on. They thought they had to study for hours like I do. No I am doing it for you, you are entering into my labour. Everybody does not do this. You do all you can do and God will take you and he will carry you through. And do not compare yourself to me or anybody else, just get your eyes on Jesus Hallelujah.
Alternate translation this is the next to the last part of this verse. Now I have broken it down into seven parts. Praise the Lord. I broke it down into seven parts.
And also so that this world system which is the land of Nod can be scabbed over and the Father's nature engraved upon Eve, the false prophet.
Let me go over that with you. I did mention that this world is the land of Nod, it has many names it is called hell. Why? Because it is buried our human spirit is buried underneath the death of this carnal mind. It is also called the land of Nod, it is the land of sleep. Did not Paul say awake unto righteousness? This whole world system is sleeping, all the members here are asleep to the righteousness and the life of God. We are sleeping the sleep of death.
So we are dealing with the phrase to seal up the vision and the prophesy, so that this world can be sealed up or scabbed over that is the second stage of the resurrection, and we are also going to seal up or complete the false prophet which is Eve. And the completion of the false prophet Eve is the engraving of the nature of God upon a human spirit.
The many members of mankind are in the likeness of God in that we are made out of his substance. We are made out of spirit but we must be sealed with his nature. We are in the image of we have in the nature of Satan. Everyone except the man Jesus, some of us are in the process of having the Father's name join ... upon us.
It is painful because simultaneously the nature of the beast is being removed, glory to God. And the last phrase of verse 24 is to anoint the most holy, to anoint means to spread out or to expand. And it is Strong's 4886 and the most this is interesting the word most is Strong's 6944 and it means holy vessels. They just translated most they did not know what to do with it and the word holy is the same word 6944.
The word holy translated most is plural and the word holy translated holy is singular. So the King James translators did not know what to do with it. But the one that is plural we are going to translate holy vessels meaning the individuals. And the one that is translated that is singular we are going to translate sanctuary, the holy vessels of the sanctuary, the individual members of the body of Christ. Anybody not following me? It made no sense to the King James writers. It is the same word twice once in the plural form and once in a singular form.
The sanctuary of the New Jerusalem is the mind of Christ and it will be in many members, many members of the sanctuary.
COMMENT: Is that the same thing about this holy thing.
PASTOR VITALE: You mean in the New Testament? The holy thing is Christ the holy thing that was implanted in Mary was Christ and that holy thing Lord willing is implanted in all of us.
So there is one sanctuary in many members. Christ is the altar. We are told that Christ is the altar and the body of Christ is the sanctuary. Christ in you is a drop of the altar and your soul in Christ is the sanctuary.
This age is coming to an end because Christ is expanding into the many members of humanity. As I had on the board before the eternal life of God is penetrating into this realm of death. Just like Elisha through herbs into the stew that was poisonous. He is penetrating into this poisonous world and he is going to neutralise the poison here and thus preserve this world which is dying.
Alternate translation the last phrase of Daniel 9:24. So that Christ can expand into the many members of humanity. So that the sanctuary of God can expand into the many members of humanity.
Alternate translation the whole of Daniel 9:24. It has been decreed by God that the now this is Gabriel giving this information to Daniel after he imparted the mind of Christ to him. If Daniel did not have the mind of Christ he could not understand what Gabriel was saying.
Now this is what Gabriel said. It has been decreed by God that the body of Christ as well as the whole human race shall experience the ends of the ages so that Satan's rebellion can be restrained. Eve's adultery which resulted in the birth of the carnal mind stopped and the carnal mind covered over so that the creation can depart from this perverse age by entering into the age of eternal righteousness, the age of all the ages through union with her true husband the Lord Jesus Christ. And also so that this world system which is the land of Nod or hell can be scabbed over and the Father's nature engraved upon Eve the false prophet so that Christ can expand into the many members of humanity.
Christ is expanding into the many members by engraving his nature on your human spirit. So the way he is getting in here is by joining with Eve. Now before we take this break I just want to review for you the scabbing over of the world system.
Okay the Lord has revealed to us here that we have two souls and they are not side by side, one is lying on top of the other and that this world system is lying on top of Eden. I just said two things because they are in the same vein but I guess the Lord just told me I should not have done that.
So let me go over that. We have souls one is lying on top of the other, it can be likened to having two eyes, but in the spirit we do not have a left and a right eye. The carnal mind is lying over the eye of the spirit as an eye lid. And we found scriptures in a recent study where when Jesus came up out of the water as a result of his baptism in Jordan that that eyelid rolled back and the eye of the spirit was revealed and he had unhindered sight.
We know the scripture that says we see through a glass darkly. I never knew it until God showed it to me but that glass darkly is a sunglass, it is sunglasses. I kept getting a vision of my sunglasses shattering and I could not imagine what it meant and I prayed about it. For me to pray about something I got for a week is a long time, I usually get answers right away.
And the Lord said to me a glass darkly, the glass darkly, your sunglasses are breaking you are going to receive from me unhindered sight into the realm of the spirit. It was a personal word to me, if it is for your receive it.
So the glass darkly is the carnal mind. It is also likened to the veil that was over Moses' face and we are told I believe it was in the book of Hebrews that the Jews still have this veil over their face. They cannot see the spiritual things of the New Covenant. Their carnal mind has to be rolled back and in the same manner the Lord has revealed to us through other scriptures that this whole world system is lying on top of Eden.
Did you ever wonder where Eden went to? It did not dissolve. The scripture says God placed Cherubims to stop Adam from going back in so it was not destroyed. Where is it? It is in another dimension brethren and it is underneath this world. And this is how the Lord showed it to us.
Again I will use a circle for example this was Eden and it was righteous. It was a righteous manifestation of Christ and Satan was present in it, she was under righteous Adam's dominion and she could not be seen she was silent in the church. She could not be seen, only the man could be seen but something went wrong there, there was a weakness in Adam and she rose up from underneath the surface and she started jabbing.
She started penetrating into Eden and one day she hit at it and this big crack appeared in Eden. And she kept penetrating and withdrawing, and penetrating and withdrawing and that crack opened up and Satan could see the outside world. And she continued to penetrate into Eden and we are told that first of all let me tell you this that this opening through which she was seen the scripture tells us is a wound.
Now when you wound your body, when you penetrate the skin on your body that which is underneath which cannot be seen is now seen. Blood comes out if the wound is severe organs can appear, tissue, muscle, tendons there is a whole world under your skin that cannot be seen, bones.
So Satan wounded Eden from underneath and that which was underneath started to appear and as she continued to penetrate she rolled back Eden like a scroll the scripture says. And she continued to penetrate until that which was underneath had completed covered over and rolled back as a scroll that which was on top. And you can no longer see what was on top because what was on top was now underneath and what was underneath had now come up to the surface and it was no longer Eden but it was Nod.
And this whole world system and everything about it is a wound that which was underneath righteous Adam has totally covered him over. He exists but he is underneath and he is dead. Righteous Adam is in each and every one of us but he is dead and what form is he taking in us, somebody? The dead Christ in you, the human spirit, it is your human spirit.
When the Holy Spirit comes and joins with you human spirit, Christ starts to be formed in you and as he increases he is starting to penetrate you and he is pulling back and he is penetrating you and he is pulling back, and in each individual one at time one of these days a big crack is going to appear in your carnal mind.
And as he continues to penetrate you he is going to open up, did you ever see a picture of an earthquake? That is called a fisher in the ground, the fisher is going to open up and Christ is going to be seen in your mind and as he continues to penetrate you he is going to roll back you heavens as a scroll brethren, and the sun is going to be darkened like sackcloth, and your moon brethren your soul is going to be covered with the blood of Christ. And the ends of the age shall have come upon you and shall be seen no more and all that shall be seen in you is the new age of Christ. The undivided age, the age it should be greatest of all the ages. It will only come to an end when Christ has put every enemy under his feet. Even the last enemy which is death, and he shall offer you up unto the Father which means glorification. In this age you shall still be in a human body.
COMMENT: Where did that word Nod come from?
PASTOR VITALE: It is in Genesis. We are told that is where Cain was sent into the land of Nod. And Cain has appeared in the minds of the creation. This is a great mystery that God gave Eve another seed and Seth had a righteous line. But that righteous line was corrupted when the mind of Cain or the carnal mind started to appear before the flood and Noah and his sons were the only ones whose minds were not corrupted. Whose minds did not flip back into the mind of Cain but on the other side of the flood Noah and his seed was corrupted too and now the whole world is Nod.
But the Lord is reversing it and this time when he reverses it we are not going to be a full grown ram that was manifesting Christ with a mind that was not woven together with Satan. This time we are growing up from seed. We are not robots, we are having experiences, we have experienced evil, we know what it is like, we are learning to hate it and we are being given the wisdom to overcome it. And we are experiencing Christ. We have been woven together with him and when we grow up from the small babe in Christ unto a full grown man, unto the stature of the Lord Jesus Christ, we will never fall again.
The creation at the beginning of time was formed a fully grown ram. He did not stand because the mind of Christ in that creation was not woven together with Satan. This is what is happening in this hour is that the creation of God is coming forth from seed. We are not being formed to full grown ram but we are being formed, we are being born as a lambkin. If you look in the book of Revelation and you see Christ standing on mount Zion, the lamb of God you look that word up in your Strong's concordance, he is a lamb of less of one year old. He has come forth from seed. The creation will never fall again.
We will take a break here. Do you want to go on? Do you want me to finish this tonight? Okay we will take a 15 minutes break.
COMMENT: I question that how can Christ be undivided in there when it is still undivided, that the person is still in the body?
PASTOR VITALE: Okay the body the physical realm will still be divided but the Spirit of Christ is undivided meaning there will be full knowledge and communication of what everyone is thinking in Christ. The carnal mind is divided in that there are walls up unless we have occultish gifts we do not know what the other person is thinking and we are set one mind against the other that was putting to play at the crisis at the tower of Babel. But in Christ we will not be one against one another we will be of one mind and of one accord and there will be nothing hidden from everybody in the mind not physically.
COMMENT: We both have the same questions. You had said before that Eve copulated with the lesbian and they produced seed. How can seed be produced?
PASTOR VITALE: Well if you want to review this we went into it on the 78 series and all that I can say to you is that apparently a spiritual lesbian is of a higher order than a fallen human lesbian. And she has the authority to bring forth a corruptible seed, a corruptible seed but she did bring forth a seed. And in the realm of the spirit apparently it is possible I have no more information other than that.
Everything that goes on down here is one step lower than the fallen realm of the soul and everything that goes on in the fallen realm of the soul is lower than what goes on in the high realms of God's spirit. Everything is a step down. You see the same things happening there was are spiritual adultery, Eve misstepped and she produced the carnal mind and we see young women today misstepping and producing illegitimate children.
It is happening on every level, and then of course we misstep with our minds and we produce demons. It is happening on every level that we exist on. We exist on many levels but the average human being today is only living out here in this outer realm but we exist on many levels.
And what we are in the process of doing now is penetrating into our souls and getting acquainted with the Christ in us. We have a lot of people in this world that penetrate their own souls and get acquainted with Satan within them. We do not see too much of it in this country but it goes on all over the world. It is called witchcraft. They know that people exist on many levels.
COMMENT: Is the carnal mind female or male?
PASTOR VITALE: The carnal mind is the female offspring of Satan and Eve. However, for so long as she Satan is ruling as she as Satan is ruling in this world system, she is male. I do talk about changing sexual roles, okay and we have talked about it in the sense of for example of authority in the army. You can be spiritually male if you are sergeant and you are a spiritual male to the troops that are under you, but you are spiritual female to your lieutenant and to your captain and to your general.
Spiritually our sexual role changes in accordance with whom we are relating to. The carnal mind in relationship to God is a woman and a lesbian but the carnal mind in relationship to fallen men is a man because she is our man. Do you understand what I am saying? She is our head, so that makes her male but she is not a complete male. She is an imperfect male, she is corruptible male. She is not legitimate and she is produced an illegitimate seed.
COMMENT: she is a transvestite
PASTOR VITALE: No, No a transvestite let us get some definition straight here. A transvestite is a man who likes to wear women's clothing. Transvestites are not necessarily homosexuals. A transsexual is a man or a woman who is not a lesbian or a homosexual but who legitimately has organs of the other sex. In other words a man locked in a woman's body that is some curse you know.
I saw one on television the other day, I could not believe it. This was the most gorgeous looking woman. I think she was in show business, she was gorgeous. I even looked at her neck no Adam's apple nothing she was a man. They showed a picture of her with the priest as a little boy and she was gorgeous and she had had an operation. She said her soul was female, she never was a homosexual. Her soul was a female and she became a woman.
Now bisexual is when you are engaged in intercourse with both sex. The carnal mind is a lesbian because she is playing in the male role with Eve. She is a man to Eve.
COMMENT: Is it so as far as it goes that she is just a lesbian or is it as far as is she going as far as that she has had the operation and the sex change? Is that what?
PASTOR VITALE: I do not think that exists in the realm of the spirit. She is a bastard offspring of a lesbian. And she too is a lesbian but because of the spiritual realm she is in; she has the authority to impregnate.
Now the first generation is Satan he has impregnated Eve and she has produced the carnal mind which is a bastard offspring and then Eve copulates with the carnal mind and produces a bastard offspring of a lesser nature which is the demons. The demons are much more corruptible than the carnal mind.
COMMENT: So then demons in relationship to God are also female.
PASTOR VITALE: Everything is female in relationship to God. God is the only male Spirit. Everyone in relationship to him is female.
COMMENT: And so in relationship to us they are also female?
PASTOR VITALE: The demons?
PASTOR VITALE: If we are in Christ.
COMMENT: Even I mean they are in another lower form right? I mean the carnal mind.
PASTOR VITALE: The carnal mind is superior to the demons but the demons are superior to fallen man. We are at the bottom of the barrel; spiritually we are at the bottom of the barrel if we do not have Christ. The natural man has no defence against any form of spiritual intelligence. We are subject
COMMENT: In other words in the .... order the demons pick on us em?
PASTOR VITALE: Yes. Okay any other questions? Let see if we can finish this thing off. I am really getting blessed by this I hope you are too.
Verse 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem, unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Know therefore and understand, the word know is Strong's 3045 means to discover. Understand 7919 again means to bind or to plait the hair. So know therefore discover through the intertwining, or discover Daniel through the intertwining of your mind with Christ. That from the going forth of the commandment to go forth Strong's 4161 the place from which one goes out. It is also a word that can be translated the east and the east is the place where the sun rises. It is the direction from which God comes. The west is referring to this physical world system. And the east is the spiritual realm of God.
So know Daniel through the joining of your mind to Christ that from the place where the commandment comes forth from God and the commandment is Strong's 1697. The place where God speaks his word out of, to restore and build Jerusalem, to restore 7725 it means to turn oneself or to cause to return. And I am suggesting to you that this is talking about repentance and that it is also suggesting the imputed anointing which comes with repentance. What is the imputed anointing? It is the impartation of the Holy Spirit. When you repent you receive the Holy Spirit, Lord willing.
So know Daniel, discover this information from our joined minds that when God speaks the word to repent out of the spiritual realm of God, when the Lord speaks the word that you should repent out of the spiritual word of God and he also speaks the word to build Jerusalem. The word build 1129 it means to erect and Gesenius tells us it can mean to erect and alter or a foundation. And I remind you that Jesus is the altar and he is also the foundation. The foundation of what? The foundation of our new life in Christ, the foundation of our new soul, the foundation of our new mind, and I remind you that the foundation is a beginning.
A foundation is not a house, a foundation is something that needs to be built upon so that when Christ begins to be formed in you brethren you must lay hold of this foundation and build your house. You must build your house brethren. You are not going to stand up in full stature lying on your couch. It just does not work that way. If you are called you are called, you can come early or you can come late, why not come early? Get in at the beginning, be a faithful servant of God.
So this word build I want to suggest to you is talking about the imparted anointing. That is not the anointing that comes with repentance which is implied with the word restore but it is the anointing that comes through building up your house from seed. The seed of Christ when it is imparted to you is the foundation and you cannot build if you do not have the foundation. So once you have the foundation then build.
Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the commandment to restore, (to repent and to rebuild Jerusalem, Jerusalem I suggest to you it is talking about the New Jerusalem and that is the city that you will be building on the foundation of Christ) unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks.
Now I did not make a note here but I think that word 'unto' is not in the Hebrew.
Okay this is a difficult verse and the numbers are all spiritual, so try and stay with me now. I am going to do it as best I can. The way it is translated here it makes it sound like you are counting days but that is not what it means.
Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem the Messiah the prince shall be seven weeks.
Let me remind you that this seven weeks is talking about seven sevens; remember a week is typifying the divided age. It is talking about the age that is divided into seven parts and you have seven weeks. Now this expression seven weeks is speaking in the scripture about the feast of tabernacles. It is also known as the feast of weeks. It is 49 weeks and then for 49 years, it comes out to 49 years and then the fiftieth year under the Levitical law is called the year of jubilee.
It is the year of restoration. People that have become indebted servants have to be let free. If you owe someone money that debt has to be forgiven, if you have lost the family land because of financial problems, if any relative has the money you have to sell him his land back. It is the year of restoration, every fiftieth year. And with regard to us spiritually, he is talking about the year that Jesus Christ is purchasing back our human spirits. We are redeemed redemption brethren, refers to the human spirit. Redemption means to repurchased, that which is repurchased must be something that was originally owned.
That part of us which was originally owned by the Lord Jesus Christ is our human spirit. It is formed out of his life. He is not repurchasing our soul, our soul is dust. Our soul is being saved; he is repurchasing our human spirit which was sold under sin when the creation fell. Sold to who? It was sold to Satan. Who sold it to Satan? The Father sold us to Satan when we fell. Do not shut off the tape pray about it, I am telling you the truth.
The Father sold us to Satan and we were bound by chains of darkness reserved into the judgement which will restore us. And when our spirit is fully redeemed through the appearance of Christ in it, Christ in us after he is raised from the dead shall then raise our soul from the dead. The end of our faith shall be the salvation of our soul when our faith is in full stature our soul shall be saved. The soul is saved the spirit is redeemed.
God does not play with his words brethren. He does not play with these words. We are talking here about seven weeks I suggest to you it is the feast of tabernacles, the year of restoration, where the Lord Jesus Christ has the purchase price to buy back the family property which is our souls and he fully intends, I am sorry which is our spirit. Did I get that backwards? He is purchasing us back and that repurchase is going to result in the salvation of our souls.
So we have a spiritual Europe Jubilee that we are about to enter into. It is just another way of saying the age of the ages of full stature. And the reason we have different words is that each way of expressing an idea is merely referring to a different shade of understanding.
God does not play with words, if it is another name there is a reason for it but he can have and does have several names for the same thing. Each name expressing a shade of difference, or looking at the event from a different point of view, that is why he has different names.
So we are dealing with the phrase know Daniel discover through the joining of our minds that from the time spoke forth the commandment that, who should return? That fallen mankind should repent and come back to God, and that they should enter into the imparted anointing and bind their souls together upon the foundation of Christ and build a New Jerusalem upon them.
Messiah, the anointed also the High Priest Strong's 4899 who is the prince that is to come, Messiah the prince. Now why would the scripture say Messiah the Prince? Brethren I want to suggest something to you I may have mentioned it to you only once if I mentioned it at all. The difference between a king and a prince is generational, it is generational. The Lord Jesus Christ is the first generation of Christ. He is your King and he is in your mind, he is your new unconscious mind.
There is a second generation of Christ it is called Christ Jesus. And the Christ Jesus that is in your mind is your prince. It is the manifestation of Christ which you are. The Lord Jesus Christ is universal he is the unconscious mind of everybody that is in Christ. He is corporate, he is King but the prince is Christ Jesus in your mind, the manifestation of Christ which you are, first generation, second generation.
So we are talking here about Messiah the Prince, the Christ that is coming in your mind, your conscious mind. The Lord Jesus Christ your unconscious mind Messiah the Prince, your conscious mind. The word shall be are not in the Hebrew. So let me give you alternate translation of this and then if it is not clear I will go over it again. Or just let me say this that the feast of tabernacles is another way of saying full stature. It is the time of restoration for humanity and the repurchase of that part of us which was sold under sin it is full stature in you.
Alternate translation the first third of Daniel 9:25
Receive the knowledge through our join minds then, (this is Gabriel speaking to Daniel). Receive the knowledge through our join minds then that God spoke the rebuilding of the mind of Christ and the return of the creation of God unto Messiah the prince who is the high priest and the feast of tabernacles in men.
God spoke this into existence. God has decreed brethren that the mind of Christ should be rebuilt in the creation. Remember the mind of Christ was killed by the carnal mind who slew him and offered him up to Satan as a sacrifice. We mentioned earlier that Gabriel smote Daniel's carnal mind and offered it up as a bloodless sacrifice. I may not have mentioned it but it was offered up to the Father as a bloodless sacrifice.
Gabriel the mind of Christ in Daniel smote Daniel's carnal mind and offered it up to the Father as a bloodless sacrifice it was temporary. At the beginning of time the carnal mind smote Christ; it was a bloody sacrifice and offered him up to Satan as a sacrifice.
The carnal mind sacrifices to Satan and Christ sacrifices to the Father and the one who is sacrificing is the one who is appearing in our mind. The one who is sacrificed is the one who is forced down under. Glory to God, both elements Satan and Christ both are elements of the creation. Satan is not being removed from the creation he is being forced into his proper role whereby he will not be deadly any longer.
And this was the condition with Cain and Abel, they were one superior being they did not look like we looked. There was a Cain and an Abel in this one person who existed at the very beginning of time before the creation fell out into male and female bodies.
This falling out into male and female bodies is a manifestation of the curse and it did not happen until approximately five generations after the flood. So there was a carnal mind and there was a mind of Christ and they both tried to sacrifice and Abel sacrificed the carnal mind of the fat of his flock and God received it. Abel kept the carnal mind down under also known as Cain. But when Cain tried to sacrifice it will have to be at the expense of Abel. God did not receive his sacrifice.
So Cain the carnal mind slew righteous Adam and the carnal mind took over the creation. And God cast him out and gave Eve another seed. And you might be interested to know brethren that science testifies that there were two tribes. I think they are call the tribes please do not hold me to it at the beginning of time. One which came to an end very quickly, died out very quickly. Does anyone not know what I said?
When the carnal mind took over the creation, God cast him out into the outer realms into the East of Eden we are told, not into the Garden of Eden but into a place that was very similar to this. Where they could be destroyed, that was why Cain said they are going to kill me everyone that sees me is going to kill me. God cast him out into a vulnerable place, and gave Eve another seed, and that was Seth, and the descendants of Seth continued in righteousness for several generations, for many generations but that line too was eventually corrupted.
And we are the descendants, we are the physical descendants of Seth but we are the spiritual descendants of Cain because Cain slew righteous Seth in the minds of our ancestors. Righteous Seth I meant righteous Seth I will explain it again.
Okay because there were two lines and at the beginning Cain slew righteous Abel and that line was cast out and God gave Eve another seed and tried it again and righteous Seth was killed by Cain. Do you understand what I am saying?
Okay I will try one more time. The descendants of Seth were walking in righteousness on the earth, righteousness in their mind and there was a corruption Cain arose in their mind and slew the righteousness of God which in this instance was Seth. Okay? I guess not important, just a little bit of information.
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Alternate translation the first third of Daniel 9:25
Gabriel speaking to Daniel receive the knowledge through our joined minds then that God spoke the rebuilding of the mind of Christ which was sacrificed up to Satan at the beginning of time by the carnal mind. And God also spoke the return of the creation of God unto Messiah meaning Christ will be ruling over it, the prince who is the high priest and is also the feast of Tabernacles in men.
So God has spoken when God speaks it comes to pass. He spoke that the mind of Christ will be erected again. He spoke that Messiah the unconscious mind of Christ the Lord Jesus Christ the first generation throughout the body of Christ will be seen again, and he also spoke that the prince Christ Jesus the second generation in your mind will be revealed again.
Continuing with the second third of Daniel 9:25: And threescore and two weeks the streets shall be built again.
This is a very difficult translation and to make it clear to you or to try and make it clear to you, I am going to restate the King James translation. And I am going to eliminate in that first phrase, I am going to eliminate the word street and again because we are going to deal with them later on.
Now let me remind you that when the King James translators looked at this in the Hebrew, if they could not make any sense out of it, they did not hesitate to move words around. Whether or not the Hebrew word translated street and again was in another place when the King James translators got a hold of it or not, I do not know. But this is what God has given me and to try to impart to you what he has shown me I have to take this two words and put them at the end of the verse.
So this is how the King James is going to read:
And three score and two weeks shall be built, (now that makes no sense in the English at all but let us see what it says in the Hebrew). And three score and two weeks shall be built.
Three score Strong's 8346 this word is a multiple of six, three score officially means sixty and I remind you that six is the number of man and ten typifies the realm of appearance. Sixty then typifies men and the realm of appearance, men in the realm of appearance.
And three score and two weeks shall be built. The word two is Strong's 8147 it can be translated two but it can also be translated to repeat, to repeat, to go over and over. Does anyone have a continuous play tape recorder? It just keeps playing and repeating and repeating. So we see men repeating himself in the realm of appearance.
Brethren that is what is happening here, men fallen Adam he is a spiritual creature and he keeps repeating himself in this realm of appearance through the birthing of babies. He is a spiritual entity and when the garments which he exists in which is us wear out and die because of sin he just has this creation producing new garments for himself.
But it is the same spiritual entity his name is fallen Adam and he is ruled by the carnal mind, and he is killing this creation but he has us producing babies continuously. New generations, new generations, new generations but it is the same spiritual man that is existing in this world system. And that is why God can punish the children for the sins of fathers, it is the same spiritual man but because we are in a divided age we have no memory or we are divided from our ancestors. And we think that we are separate we are different but we are not.
This is a scriptural principle. You know I meet with the Rabbi on a regular basis he knows it. It is the scriptural principle and I found it in the scripture once and I did not make a note of it and I could never find it again but there is a scripture in the Old Testament it is one of the history books where there was a man and he had about eight sons and the scripture says and they all went out to war. All the sons went out to war and they were all killed and he the father died. So long as he has offspring he is not dead scripturally speaking.
So long as you have offspring even if your body dies you have not died you are living in the next generation. This is a scriptural principle that the Jews know about. When you have no offspring you die but for those of you who are in the flesh and have no children I remind you, you are in the New Covenant Jesus says you shall have more children than the married wife because in Christ you shall have spiritual offspring.
How can that be? God will bring you to people. You will minister Christ to them, their human spirit will be quickened they will be born of the Spirit of God and Paul clearly said that he was a father in Christ and that he had fruit wherever he went. He had offspring wherever he went.
And I want to declare to you that you do not see it very much today. It is not happening very much yet but the body Christ is a reality and when you are matured enough in Christ that you are considered a father that you start to birth Christ in other people that soul tie that will be established is a reality. And in some instances it can be stronger than your blood relations, in some instances. So we do not see it happening too much today because not many people in Christ are matured enough to father children but we are going to be coming into it.
Now anyone that teaches you to abandon your natural family that is not a scriptural principle and it is not a godly principle. You have an obligation to your natural family. Do not take an ungodly burden to them but if you have a mother or a father and they need help you are responsible to help them. Nephews, cousins, blood relations are very important to God but he is also doing a new thing at the same time and if you submit yourself to him he will help you deal with your natural family and with your spiritual family.
If you have children in your house that still need you, you have a very real responsibility to them. I will not have anybody using what I am saying to justify irresponsibility towards their obligations to their natural family. Do not use my name if you want to sin against God by abandoning your human responsibilities. But there is a reality of the spiritual family when it is done in Christ and we are going to be seeing more and more of it as the body of Christ matures. Glory to God.
So we see the phrase three square and two men in the realm of appearance who was continuously repeating himself. Does anybody not know what I am talking about? We have expressed this in other teachings as the age of eternal torment. I use to preach that this age is about to self destruct but when we were doing another series this past year, it is a recent series the Lord showed me that this age is not about to self destruct, that eternal torment is a reality but that as usual the carnal mind has it backwards.
Christ is not casting you into eternal torment if you reject him he is bigger than that. When you reject him he woos you with his love. He does not burn you. You know I so like to do to not laugh about it because of the stuff that they are preaching out there. He does not burn you in hell forever. The one who burns you in hell forever brethren is Satan, the god of this fallen creation.
This world is eternal torment. It is hell and we will continue to appear through our descendants who will be subject to all of our sins and our family curses. Our grandchildren and our great grandchildren and our great grandchildren will be paying the price for our sins because they will really be us in another generation. And this will continue eternally without stopping until this age is scrolled up by the age of Christ.
This age will never self destruct because of an atomic warfare or because the Ozone layer is destroyed or because of lack of food and the word of the Lord to me is that we are spiritual cockroaches. There will always be survivors who will regenerate the race. The only way out of this eternal torment is to go up into Christ. Does anybody not know what I am talking about?
Three score and two weeks shall be built. So men in the realm of appearance who's continuously repeating himself here in this age of eternal torment shall be built. I think I said shall be is not in the Hebrew, so I really should be saying and three score and two weeks built. But that does not make any sense in English, but in Hebrew the word built is 1129 and it is talking about the material of which anything is built and I want to suggest to you and to remind you that fallen men is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And he which is we are the material out of which God is building his creation. Brethren we are the tree that he is cutting down and sawing into planks and building a house out of for his spiritual life.
And three score and sixty two weeks built and man who is continuously repeating himself in weeks is the seven parts series of time in the divided age, and men in the realm of appearance who is continuously repeating himself in this divided age who is also the material of which this world is built. Anybody not following me?
Alternate translation second third of Daniel 9:25: And the Lord has also spoken about fallen Adam who is the building material for the creation of God who shall continue to reproduce for so long as this divided age continues. God has made a decree with regard to him. And that decree is that he is going to return unto God.
Let me read you those two together, receive the knowledge through our joined minds then Daniel that God spoke the rebuilding of the mind of Christ, and the return of the creation of God unto Messiah, the Prince who is the High Priest and the feast of tabernacles in men, and he has also spoken into existence that fallen Adam, the building material for the creation of God shall continue to reproduce for so long as the divided age continues. This is eternal torment brethren, do not worry about getting there you are in it now.
Continuing with the third part of Daniel 9:25: (And again this makes no sense in English but I am hoping you can understand it when I do it this way). The words we have left are and troublous the King James says in troublous times but we are saying and troublous the street and the wall even in times. I know it makes no sense at all. Again troublous the street and the wall even in times, the word again is Strong's 7725 it means to turn about. It is the same word that is translated restore above. It is talking about repentance.
The word troublous is 6695 it means distress. Men, Fallen men in this world system is going to turn around, he is going to repent when distress is impressed upon him. Brethren he is not going to repent, he is not going to repent for your being nice to him and there is a whole element of the church preaching be nice to your soul.
Brethren, your carnal mind is not going to repent because you are nice to him, he is going to kill you if you are nice to him. If you do not kill him first he is going to kill you. Why? Because both the carnal mind and Christ are fighting to wound the other to offer the other up as a sacrifice to their God which when they succeed in doing it will result in their being your mind for that second, for that minute, for that hour, for that day.
Brethren, only one mind can be your mind at a time. At each second from second to second only one mind can be your mind. And there is a constant warfare to wound one another and offer the other up to their god which will result in them speaking out of your mouth, thinking out of your mind and having the use of your body. Do not tell me you are going to be nice to your carnal mind because if you are nice to your carnal mind you have agreed to his sacrifice in you to Satan. And there is a lot, there are thousands of believers that are believing this doctrine 'just relax be nice to your carnal mind you are going to ascend automatically'.
Again troublous the street, again meaning repentance troublous distress the street. The street Strong's 7339, it is the open place where trials were held in bible days. Trials were held in the open street and I remind you that well I suggest to you that this reminds me of the judgement seat of Christ.
So we are going to see repentance because of distress that is caused by the judgement seat of Christ. And the wall even in times, the word wall Strong's 2742 this is amazing but it does not mean wall it means a stretching instrument used for rubbing out corn. Rubbing out corn we are talking about this mention of the grains, the separation of the wheat from the tier, the stretching floor does it sound familiar?
It is the separation of Christ from your carnal mind. They are growing together. The carnal mind is the great skin and Christ is the flesh of the grape. You have to crush the grape or crush the corn or crush the wheat berry to free Christ from the carnal mind. We are talking about judgement here brethren.
And the word times again is referring to a time period which I think it means the divided age, let me see if I wrote this down or not. This word can be translated time period and I am suggesting to you that the scripture is speaking about the new age of Christ. It is plural and it is a plural word in the Hebrew because it shall be appearing. The new age of Christ shall be appearing in many members.
Alternate translation third third of Daniel 9: 25: And he has also spoken about fallen Adam the building material for the creation of God continuing to reproduce for so long as the divided age continues, who shall return to his proper place in the creation because of the public distress he experiences at the time Christ appears in the mind of his many members.
Brethren this creation will not return unto God without judgement without tribulation without pain do not believe it. It is a lie. Again repent troublous, distress, the street, the place where trials were held the judgement seed of Christ. The wall Christ himself the stretching instrument, time the new age of Christ, we are talking about fallen Adam. He shall return to his proper place in the creation because of the public distress he experiences at the time Christ appears in the minds of the many members of the living soul.
He must be punished brethren. Now not punished as your fallen mind thinks punished but the scriptural expression is punished. Your carnal mind must be punished, he must be wounded, he must be smittened. he must be put down under the authority of Christ in you. If you can do it yourself God will let you do it yourself. If you cannot do it yourself he will send someone to do it to you.
He must be wounded, he must be punished, he must be destroyed, he is your enemy he hates you, he is keeping you abiding in death, he does not want Christ to appear in you. He is sacrificing you unto Satan every time you think he spots. How does that sit with you? Is does not seem like a very serious thing, well I had a carnal thought today. You had a carnal thought? You are sacrificed unto Satan at that moment.
You know as we got through the scriptures, God for those of us that have ears to hear and eyes to see, God is showing us what a serious business simply being a carnal person is, which is there is no you know everyone is carnal but when you are called to spiritual maturity in Christ it becomes a whole different ball game. And again I am not condemning anybody. If you feel condemned your carnal mind is condemning you.
I am giving you information that is going to help you ascend up, out and above from this world system. I am not against you I am for you. I pay a heavy price for preaching this message. We found in the tape we did on Revelation 16 that the Lord actually said in Revelation 16 that if your carnal mind can be seen he likens it to a sex pervert walking around exposed. Does anybody remember that message?
The noise of your mind are your spiritual sexual organs. They are not to be seen brethren they are to be under Christ. And if they can be seen you are a sex pervert that is walking around exposed. The police are coming to get you, cover yourself up. That is the word of the Lord. Children can walk around naked they do not arrest them.
If you have gotten this far on this tape you are called to spiritual manhood, get your clothes on. Get that thing on the leash. And before you can get on the leash you have to be able to identify it. If you cannot identify it ask God to help you. He is not condemning you, he is sounding the trumpet. If you are hearing this message, he is calling you to alms and he is saying look if you are going to be in this army you have to shoot at the enemy. Do not shoot me. And before you can shoot at the enemy you have to be able to see and identify the enemy.
And he wants to train you to do that. He is for you, he is not against you, he is shaking you with this message and he is trying to wake you up. Now if you let yourself be condemned what is happening is that you are letting your carnal mind divert your thoughts away from the true message here.
If you are letting yourself be condemned or be angry, or if your pride is up what your carnal mind is doing is blocking the message of God which is saying I am here to prepare you for full stature. And you are not getting in by the rapture, you are getting in by covering up your carnal mind. And if you cannot do it I will show you how and I will help you but I want you to ask me.
Alternate translation the whole of Daniel 9:25: Receive the knowledge through our join minds then that God's spoke the rebuilding of the mind of Christ, and the return of the creation of God unto Messiah the Prince who is the High Priest and the feast of tabernacles in men. And he has also spoken that fallen Adam the building material for the creation of God who shall continue to reproduce for so long as the divided age continues shall return to its proper place in the creation because of the public distress he experiences at the time Christ appears in the minds of his many members.
Your distress will be public brethren. God is destroying your pride.
I restated that alternate translation to make it in better English and more understandable I call it an amplified translation.
Receive the knowledge through our joined minds then Daniel, that God has spoken the rebuilding of the mind of Christ and the return of the creation of God unto Messiah the High Priest who is the feast of tabernacles to mankind. And he has also spoken the return of fallen Adam the building material for the creation of God who continues to reproduce for so long as the divided age continues to its proper place in the creation because of the public distress which Christ shall cause at the time he appears in the minds of his many members. I guess I must have just changed one or two little things.
Going on with verse 26, and after three score and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with the flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
And after three score and two weeks, after Strong's 310 it means the place behind and I am going to suggest to you it is talking about the unconscious mind. After threescore the place that is in the back the unconscious mind, three score again we have a multiple of six, men in the realm of appearance and two that realm of appearance that continuously repeating itself weeks of the divided age.
So what do we have here after men in the realm of appearance shall be cut off, Strong's 3772 to cut down as a tree, to be destroyed, to be withdrawn. So we are saying that men in the realm of appearance is going to be cut down as a tree. He is going to be withdrawn but not for himself, now this word is 369 and that is not a good translation it means nothing, emptiness, vacuity.
Now we found this word when we did Isaiah 33 and I did a whole study on it. I am not going to repeat it. I gave you several scriptural references where I showed you that the usage of this word is that God is mocking men and he is saying you are nothing. You are the soil or you are the earth which needs to be filled with the fruit of Christ. You are nothing without me. God calls men without Christ nothing, we are a shadow that is all we are and that is what this word means. So I will like to read you the alternate translation that the Lord gave me.
For the first third of Daniel 9:26 and the unconscious mind of fallen Adam who continues to reproduce for so long as the divided age continues shall be cut down as a tree because he is as nothing to Messiah. You are going to be cut down as a tree.
Continuing with the second third of Daniel 9:26: And the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
Now I have restated that I have rearrange the words and this is how we are going to work with it and the people shall destroy the city so that they can enter into the sanctuary of the prince.
These are all the same Hebrew words I have just changed the order in accordance with the revelation that God has shown me. What this means the people shall destroy the city. You see the King James said they are going to destroy the city and the sanctuary but the way God showed it to me is they are going destroy the city of their carnal mind so that they can enter into the sanctuary or the mind of Christ.
The word people Strong's 5971 once again it is the common people. That is the whole world brethren. They shall destroy 7843, they shall lay waste or corrupt or destroy the city merely means city and I suggest to you it is the fallen Adamic soul. And the word shall come, the prince that shall come it says in the King James but the word shall come is Strong's 935 and it means to enter into the house of a husband or to have intercourse with her husband. This word also is preceded by the prefix verb which can be translated so that.
I am suggesting to you that the Hebrew word shall come, that the Hebrew word translated shall come is not referring to the precept shall come but to the people of the prince who shall not come but who shall enter into the sanctuary of that prince and the sanctuary of the prince is the mind of Christ. Is everybody with me? Okay.
The sanctuary Strong's 6944 meaning holiness or the tabernacle which is the mind of Christ and the prince again 5057 the prince of a people and that is Christ.
Alternate translation the second third of Daniel 9:26. And the common people shall destroy their fallen conscious mind. That is the city the carnal mind I said it was the.... they shall destroy the fallen conscious mind so that they can enter into the soul of their husband the Lord Jesus Christ.
Now when I put the whole verse together you will see that the Lord Jesus Christ is going to smite the unconscious mind which is Satan. The Lord Jesus Christ fights with Satan so that we can rise up and destroy our conscious mind. And when we found these scriptures in the book of Revelation we found out that from the time that Jesus Christ defeats Satan in our unconscious mind the battle is really over. But the problem that we have is that our conscious is harlot and she has been thinking the thoughts of really her ex husband the carnal mind for so long that she cannot get out of the grove. She is in a grove and she is in a grove of sin and she keeps going around, even though she now has a new husband the Lord Jesus Christ she cannot stop sinning.
And therefore the only thing will stop her from sinning is to knock her out of that track, knock her out of that grove and that is what judgement is. So Christ defeats Satan imparting the power to the saints to overcome our own conscious mind and convert it into Christ. And that is judge yourself lest someone else come and judge you, and work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
We are to discern every carnal mind, every carnal thought; every high imagination cast it down and ask God to help us to replace it with the corresponding thought in Christ. And that is Armageddon that is the battle. And when you get into the swing of it and you are doing for yourself God will send you to help others that cannot see their carnal thoughts and he is will send you to show it to them so that they can be assisted in this warfare.
And the common people shall destroy their fallen conscious mind so that they can enter into the soul of their husband the Lord Jesus Christ. And the end thereof shall be with a flood and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. This is a difficult verse I have restated those English words again to and we are going to walk with it like this.
And the end thereof shall be with the flood determined the war unto the end desolations. I know that it does not make sense but it will when we get through with it. And the end Strong's 3093 it is referring to the end or the extremity and I am suggesting to you that it is talking about the end of this divided age.
The end shall be with a flood Strong's 7858 an outpouring of rain or a torrent. And I am suggesting to you that that is the latter rain and that the latter rain is coming forth from the sons who are in full stature. The former rain is the manifestation of Christ the measure of the Spirit of God that we see in the church today, it is the former rain it is a minor manifestation of Christ, it is the Spirit with measure but there is a latter rain coming and what it will be will be the spirit without measure flowing through the minds of the sons, that is what the latter rain is.
And that torrent of power that is coming forth is going to bring judgement to the fallen souls of men which will result in their standing up in full stature, that torrent that latter rain, is going to smite the carnal minds of men, and weaken it, so that Christ can stand up. So that the seed of Christ can be implanted in the human spirit and that he can grow up and take dominion over the carnal mind of that individual.
I do not know I spoke to a few local people here not too long ago and I tried to explain this to them that there is a greater measure of power coming in. They were very offended, they defended the church and got up and walked out. Brethren, this is a wonderful message, all you have to do is look around the whole world knows there is not much power in the church. There is some power in the church the scripture says we have a little strength, a little strength we have to get much more strength to convert this creation. And the end shall be with the outpouring of the mind of Christ.
The word determined Strong's 2782 it means to be decreed. We have had that word before the Lord God is making a decree. He has spoken it that all this is going to come to pass. Brethren all of the denial in the world cannot stop it from coming to pass. All of the Pharisees joined together hand in hand cannot stop it from coming to pass.
Every heathen on the face of the earth facing the Lord with every weapon of the carnal mind cannot stop this from coming to pass. There shall be a flood of the power of God upon this earth and it shall smite the carnal minds of men. And they shall fold up like a scroll and the son of your carnal mind shall be covered with sack cloth with darkness.
Why? Because Christ shall arise and the darkness shall flee away and the moon of this existence your carnal mind, your soul shall reveal the blood of Christ covering it. And it is going to happen and there is nothing that can stop it and the world and the church can kill every one of God's prophets and he will just raise up more prophets and it is going to happen.
And the end thereof shall be with the flood determined the war unto the end desolates. The war Strong's 4421 the interlinear says there shall be war. Now the King James makes it a noun a war but the interlinear says it is a verb, there shall be war. And I say unto you there shall be war until this comes to pass.
Do not play games with your carnal mind because if you do you are a dead man without a battle. The bible says there shall be war.
Unto Strong's 5704 again unto the limit of as far as this age exists, unto the end desolations, the end again 7093 talking about this age unto the limit, or to the ends of this age or unto the ends of your earth. Desolations 8074 means to be astonished, to be put to silence, to be laid waste.
Let us try this alternate translation third third of Daniel 9:26. And the age, this divided age shall come to an end when Christ pours out of the sons of God and it is decreed by God that there shall be war until this age is silenced.
Have you ever hear of the scripture that says the mouth of the wicked shall be shut. This age speaks brethren. It talks; it whispers in your mind, it convinces you to sin. This age is a mind, it has a name Satan. There is an age of Christ and there is the age of the carnal mind. This age is a person, salvation is a person, death is a person, righteousness is a person, sin is a person, a spiritual person who is greater than all of the human beings individually. And only one can be living through you at a time, life or death, righteousness or sin.
Iif you are in the process of being raised from the dead you have two minds and you are unstable in all your ways and you shall be engaged in the battle, joined on the side of Christ to wound your carnal mind that he should go down under the feet of Christ so that you might live in the righteousness of Christ.
I want to read to you that third third of Daniel 9:26 again. This is a very difficult verse I hope you are staying with me. I reversed those two phrases and the age shall come to an end etcetera, etcetera and there shall be war until the age is silent. I reversed it.
And it is decreed by God that there shall be war until this age is silenced and the age shall come to an end when Christ pours out of the sons of God.
Let me remind you that when we get into deep prophesy it is very frequent that I have to switch the phrases around when we get to the very end I have interspaced a couple of the verses. I do not know whether it is the King James translators that moved everything around or whether it is the translation into English, I do not know.
But when we get into deep prophesy this happens. It happened in the book of Revelation, it has happened in Isaiah. It happens all through the prophets. To make it understandable we have got to it is all the same words but we have got to move them around. And once again we could never have this translation of God had not taught us all these revelations first. I could never make two sense out of this.
And it is decreed by God that there shall be war with this existing age. So you see the scripture just says that there shall be war but war I am adding in here. War with who? War with this existing age. And it is decreed by God that there shall be war with this existing age until Christ pours out of the sons of God, and then this age shall be silenced.
So that is the amplified version, I added in the words with this existing age because we know that from everything that God has taught us to date otherwise we could not understand this. This is a sealed book. You cannot understand it unless you have the revelation in your heart before you try to understand it.
Alternate translation the whole of verse 26: And the unconscious mind of fallen Adam who continues to reproduce for so long as the divided age continues shall be cut down as a tree because he is nothing to Messiah and the common people shall destroy their fallen conscious mind so that they can enter into the soul of their husband the Lord Jesus Christ.
And it is decreed by God that there shall be war with this existing age until Christ pours out of the sons of God and then this age shall be silenced.
And I declare to you that this teaching that there is no war that there is no judgment and be nice to your soul is a heresy. Why is it a heresy? Because it is keeping you from entering into the kingdom, it is keeping you from ascending into full stature. It is a very serious error, it is causing the people who believe it to literarily lie themselves down on the train tracks and let the train run over them. And may God have mercy on the men who are preaching it.
Okay hang in there with me, this is the last verse 27. And he shall who? Messiah shall confirm the covenant with many for one week and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate even unto the consummation and that determine shall be poured upon the desolate. I cannot even understand that in English.
And he shall confirm, Strong's 1396 to make strong or to bind. Covenant we know what a covenant is that is an agreement with many many members of the living soul for one week. The word one Strong's 259 can be translated according to Gesenius as one man, as one man. He shall make or bind himself together with the many members of the living soul as if they were a one man by covenant.
He shall bind himself together; he shall bind himself to the many members of the living soul as one man as the living soul which is existing in this divided age as one man by covenant. Week the divided age one one man with the many members of the living soul, he shall bind himself together with them.
Now I know you are tired but I want to review this for you. Remember the Lord Jesus Christ is binding himself to the fallen living soul, a mind or a human being at a time. Remember the new age of Christ is swallowing up this divided age a cell at a time. What happened to Jesus Christ of Nazareth on the cross happened to the first cell of this many membered living soul. He was glorified and now he is pouring out of his spirit upon all flesh, and he fully intends to do your soul what he did to the soul of the man Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
The work must be completed; it is just a matter of time. It is ordained, it is decreed of God but it has to happen in you too it is not doing you any good because it happened to the man Jesus of Nazareth. His glorified life has to be inside of you and he has to slay the enmity in your flesh just like he slayed the enmity in the flesh of the man Jesus of Nazareth. He has to join Christ in your mind to your carnal mind through crucifixion, through penetration and that is how he is confirming the covenant.
You know whenever there is a covenant something has to die. I ask you to recall Abraham's covenant with God. There were animals sacrificed and divided and pigeons, and the Lord walked among, amidst the sacrificed animals. Brethren there is no covenant without a death and the death is your carnal mind, it must die, it must decrease that Christ can increase. And he has come unto you to kill your carnal mind, he is coming to you to kill your fallen morally personality and to give you the righteousness of Christ. You cannot receive the righteousness of Christ with you fallen perverted soul.
I hear Christian walking around I am the righteousness of Christ. No, you are not. You are the filth of the carnal mind and you are polluted. He has come to destroy the spiritual filth so the imparting to you of his righteousness but you cannot keep the both of them.
God help us. Get some right teaching into this church Lord. Glory to God.
Does anybody not understand what I said about this? He is going to confirm the covenant through the death of your carnal mind or your fallen Adamic soul. He is going to bind it strong by joining his glorified mind to your carnal mind. He is going to do it with the many members of the living soul, and he is going to do it as if they were one man, because by the time he finishes doing it to every member of the living soul the body of Christ will be undivided and we will all be of one mind and one accord. Does anybody not understand this? Okay hang on we are almost finished.
Alternate translation the first quarter of Daniel 9:27: And Messiah shall bind himself by covenant to the many of the divided age as though they were one man. Now I made that a little clearer. And Messiah shall make a binding covenant with the many members of the divided age as though they were one man.
And Messiah shall make a binding covenant through the death of their carnal minds with the many members of the divided age as though they were one man. Or we can say and they shall be as one man through the binding covenant which is in Christ. Continuing with and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.
And in the midst Strong's 2677 it means half way in the middle of the week. In the middle of the divided age and in the middle of the divided age he shall cause the sacrifice to cease. Brethren I am going to ask you to give up your carnal thoughts here.
Now listen in the middle of the divided age, the divided age is your carnal mind. Who is in the middle of your carnal mind? I am going to suggest to you that the phrase in the midst of the divided age is speaking about the one who was in the midst of the divided age which is in your mind. Are not the ages in our hearts? And is not the three fold spirit of fallen men also known as the heart of man Satan and his carnal mind is in the midst of the divided age. You were correct.
And in the midst of the week and in the midst of the divided age he shall cause the sacrifice to cease. Shall cause to cease 7673 means to celebrate the Sabbath, it really means to cease from work, it means to rest. So in the midst of your fallen heart is going to come the Sabbath day of rest.
Now remember that this is an age of labour, that when the centre of your heart is the carnal mind you are involved in continual labour. We found this in Daniel 12 we found it in Daniel 8 your labour is going to cease. Your labour is going to cease, not only must be labour for our food and labour to clean, and labour to exist and everything that we do but we also have the spiritual labour whereby we resist sin. We labour continuously even if we are not, those that do not have a relationship with the Lord they have been raised with some degree of morality and ethics, we continuously labour to resist sin because sin is a downward pole. And even heathens know it can destroy you.
Will we going to be able to rest from that? And how are we are going to be able to rest from it? And the Lord Jesus Christ will be born right in the midst of the one who is in the midst. He is going to take authority over him. Christ will take authority over the carnal mind and we shall cease from our own labours.
Now there are Christians in the world that say I do not have to fight because the battle is the Lord and I have ceased from my labours. Brethren you do not cease from your labours until Christ starts labouring through you because if you cease from your labours before Christ starts labouring from you you have got a problem because nobody is labouring for you.
If you are not doing it and Christ is not doing it you are going to be turned over to the destroyer. You labour until he says I am here to relief you brother you can rest. And if you look at your life and you are turned over to the destroyer I will venture to say he has not tapped you on the shoulder and told you that yet you better pick up your weapon and start to fight. You better start to labour to put down that sin under your feet. Does anyone not know what I am talking about?
The word sacrifice once again is a bloody sacrifice, this is a bloody sacrifice Strong's 2077, and oblation Strong's 4053 again it is the bloodless sacrifice. Remember that the carnal mind offered up Christ as a sacrifice to Satan at the beginning of time and that this sacrifice is still going on.
Do you remember the teaching that for this visible world to exist there must be an ongoing act of spiritual sexual intercourse. When Eve is separated from Satan, should Eve be separated from Satan, this world will cease to exist. That is why the Lord has chosen to let us have two minds. Do you remember the drawing? Eve is a harlot, she has two husbands and she has two offsprings and she has been transferred into Christ. This way when God wipes out the carnal mind his mind will be here to sustain the existence of his world.
If you just knocked out, if you just ripped Eve out of Satan without having made a provision for her to have penetrated Christ before he knocks Satan out the whole world will cease to be. Does anyone not understand that? In the same way these are spiritual things now it is different and they are longer and they exist longer than this world.
The scripture says one day to the Lord is a thousand years to this world. This act of spiritual sacrifice that the carnal mind did when he sacrificed up Christ to Satan is still going on. Every time we express the carnal mind we are being sacrificed unto Satan. Christ in us is being sacrificed unto Satan. What does that mean? She is continuing to be buried under the carnal mind. She has been declared dead and demanded to remain dead.
That original sacrifice of the Christ unto Satan is still going on in every member of the living soul. Every time the carnal mind thinks through us, speaks through us or uses our body for his purposes. And this sacrifice of Christ shall continue for so long as this age continues.
Alternate translation the second quarter of Daniel 9:27: And the one who is in the midst of this present age which age is known as death shall cease from offering up the bloody sacrifice of the soul or the flesh of Christ and also shall cease from offering up the bloodless sacrifice of the Spirit or the bones of Christ. I abbreviated that a little.
And the carnal mind shall cease from offering up the flesh and bones of Christ. And the carnal mind shall cease, when all of this is done or everything that God has decreed is done, the carnal mind shall cease from offering up the flesh and bones of Christ.
And for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate. This word for is Strong's 5922 and can be translated of. The word 'and' is a translation once again of the prefix .... and it can also be translated because. So we are going to change this and for into because of. Because of the overspreading 3671 the age of the extremity, again taking about the age because of the overspreading of the age, this word Gesenius says is translated armies in Isaiah 8:8.
And I am going to suggest to you that this scripture is saying because of the raising up of the armies of the carnal mind. And in case you do not know it, if the carnal mind is ruling through you, you are a soldier in the army of the carnal mind. The Lord is the captain of the host. You are in the army of God if you are living for God if you are not living for God you are in Satan's army ruled by his carnal mind.
Everybody is in the army; everybody on the face of the earth is in one army or the other. You are not your own. So the Lord is going to be dealing with all of this sin that we have been talking about because the carnal mind has raised up his army that is killing us. And the word abominations 8251 it is used especially of idols, it is referring to idols.
And you may recall the teaching that the carnal mind is the true idol. And idol is something that is carved. Our soul is carved, it is either in the image of Christ or it is in the image of the carnal mind. The true idol is our carnal mind. The scripture clearly state that idols can be in our heart. The idol in our heart is either the carnal mind that is carved in our heart or it is Christ that is carved in our heart. The true idolatry is spiritual, it is of the mind. Are you worshipping the idol of the carnal mind or you are worshipping at the cherubim which is ordained of God.
Shall make desolate 8074 the true translation is desolator. We see this is the second time the King James did this. They changed it from a verb to a noun or from a noun to a verb. It should not be shall make desolate it is talking about a person who is a desolator. Someone who lays waste or who is the destroyer the one who puts to silence.
Alternate translation the third quarter of Daniel 9:27: And because of the army of the carnal mind Messiah shall silence him with destruction. Messiah shall silence him with destruction. The army of the carnal mind which talks us through and into destruction shall be destroyed.
He whispers in our ears. Remember we found out on tape number 8 that Zechariah chapter 5 the carnal mind has raised an army to wage war against the Lord. It is on tape 8.
This is the third quarter of Daniel 9:27: And Messiah shall destroy the carnal mind because of the army he has raised up.
The carnal mind has rebelled against the Lord, he has raised up an army, he has set up his own power base by which he is generating bodies. These fallen bodies are not of the Lord, they are generated by the carnal mind and he is using God's creation thinking through us, speaking through us and having the use of our bodies for all kinds of activities, and for that reason the Lord Jesus Christ is going to destroy him.
We are finishing up the fourth quarter of Daniel 9:27: Even until the consummation and that determined shall be poured out upon the desolate.
Determined Strong's 2782, talking about God's decree. Again God has spoken all these and it must come to pass. Now this word shall be poured upon is Strong's 5413 and it means to melt. Does that sound familiar to you?
2 Peter 3:10 through 12, as well as many Old Testament scriptures speak about God's fiery judgement which is the lake fire. The fire that is being poured upon our carnal mind that will make it melt is Christ, and the reason that it has to melt it has to be a judgement of fire because this fire is causing the carnal mind to break up into its three parts Eve Satan and the carnal mind.
God is freeing Eve from her husband Satan and her offspring the carnal mind. She must be freed so that she can pierce into Christ. So the fire is melting this ungodly union, Eve will be broken free running to the city of refuge which is Christ and the fire will completely go upon the remains of Satan and the carnal mind.
And the word consummation is Strong's 3617 and it means completion or perfection. And I do not know if I told you this so I will say it again. Upon the desolate Strong's 8074 again the interlinear says the desolator talking about the person the one who was disheartened, confounded, astonished and that is the fallen man.
Alternate translation the last part of Daniel 9: 27: Even until God's command to melt the carnal mind has been completed. Let me put that together with the sackcloth. And Messiah shall destroy the carnal mind because of the army he has raised up and he will continue destroying him even until God's command to melt the carnal mind has been completed.
The carnal mind will be destroyed by fire and that destruction will continue to come upon him until the carnal mind has been completed. What does that mean? How is the carnal mind completed? We talked about this earlier. We are a partial creation we cannot exist without Christ. When Christ joins with our human spirit, when the Holy Ghost joins with our human spirit and Christ is born Christ shall complete this creation. And the fire will continue to burn until Christ is fully ruling in your mind and in the minds of everyone in the creation.
Alternate translation Daniel 9:27: And Messiah shall make a binding covenant with the many members of the divided age as though they were one man. And the carnal mind shall cease from offering up the flesh and bones of Christ.
That is the result of the covenant. Now Christ is going to join to us and the result of it is that the carnal mind shall cease from offering up the flesh and bones of Christ.
Let me comment on that, the flesh and bones of Christ in us now are dead in the form of Eve our human spirit. So the carnal mind has no problem offering us up continuously as a sacrifice. But when Eve joins with the Holy Spirit and her saviour the child that is going to save her in child bearing is born, when Christ is born in the human spirit, he is the spirit of might and he shall stop the carnal mind from continuously offering us up as a sacrifice to Satan, because he is strong and shall be stronger than the carnal mind. And Messiah shall destroy the carnal mind because of the army he raised up even until God's command to melt the carnal mind has been completed. I made that a little more understandable.
The amplified translation Daniel 9:27: And Messiah shall make a binding covenant with the many members of the divided age as though they were one man. And as decreed shall completely melt their carnal minds in the lake of fire because the carnal mind has raised up an army against the Lord, and the carnal mind shall cease from offering up the flesh and bones of Christ.
Okay all that I have left now is a recap but I have interspersed we have about six verses here and I have interspersed them so that the information here flows freely. I have moved the words around and all the same words. I have interspersed verses 21, 22 and 23 which reads as follows:
At the time I Daniel was speaking to God and interceding on behalf of Israel, Gabriel the man I had seen in the previous vision said to me, the Spirit of Christ manifested as soon as you began to pray for mercy, but because you are a delight to the father, I have entered into your conscious mind to give you understanding as well as mercy. Therefore I am spreading forth and intertwining my mind with your carnal mind. And then he Gabriel wounded my carnal mind, separated me from it and offered it up as a sacrifice to the father saying now use the authority in Christ which has been given to you to distinguish between the truth of God's mind and the error of your carnal mind. And I receive insight in the mind of God and was comforted.
And now the next verse we see God's decree of restoration to humanity. Gabriel still instructing Daniel, it has been decreed by God that the body of Christ as well as the whole human race shall experience the ends of the ages so that Satan's rebellion can be restrained, Eve's adultery which resulted in the birth of the carnal mind stopped and the carnal mind covered over so that the creation can depart from this perverse age by entering into the age of eternal righteousness through union with her true husband the Lord Jesus Christ.
And also it has been decreed so that this world system which is the land of Nod can be scabbed over and the Father's nature engraved upon Eve the false prophet, so that Christ can expand into the many members of humanity.
And in the next verse we see God's plan for restoration, how he is going to do it. Gabriel still instructing Daniel receive the knowledge through our joined minds then that God has spoken the rebuilding of the mind of Christ and the return of the creation of God unto Messiah the high priest who is the feast of tabernacles to mankind.
And he has also spoken the return of fallen Adam the building material for the creation of God, who continues to reproduce for so long as the divided age continues, to its proper place in the creation, because of the public distress which Christ shall cause at the time he appears in the minds of his many members. And in verses 26 to 27 he tells us in more details how he is going to do it and I have interspersed those two verses.
And this is how the common people shall enter into the city of their true husband the Lord Jesus Christ. Messiah shall make a binding covenant with the many members of the divided age as though they were one man. And their carnal minds shall be completed melted in the lake of fire because they have raised up an army against the Lord. And their fallen unconscious mind which continues to reproduce itself in them for so long as the divided age continues shall be cut down as a tree because he is as nothing to Messiah. And then the common people shall destroy their fallen conscious mind.
And it is decreed by God that there shall be war with this existing age until Christ pours out of the sons of God and then the carnal mind shall cease from offering up the flesh and bones of Christ and this age shall be silenced. What a glorious message, what a glorious, glorious message.
COMMENT: When you talked about that rest is that the same rest that is found in Hebrews to come into the rest
PASTOR VITALE: Yes that is the rest. The rest is that we stop labouring to keep sin under our feet and Christ starts doing it for us.
COMMENT: So I can receive the interpretation now? The interpretation of Messiah coming and all that still have that basic meaning, am I right?
PASTOR VITALE: Ask me again I am not sure what you mean.
COMMENT: About the Messiah.
PASTOR VITALE: There is a Messiah but he is not coming outside of us he is coming...
COMMENT: I am talking about how the scripture was interpreted with the growing up in the church.
PASTOR VITALE: How was that? I did not grow up in the church.
COMMENT: That Messiah will come and be crucified and be cut off.
PASTOR VITALE: Well all that is true, well it happened to Jesus. Am I misunderstanding you? that all happened to Jesus.
COMMENT: It is like layers of the same true filled down
PASTOR VITALE: Yes, that is all true we know that he came and that he was crucified and that he ascended and that he is glorified. And the church acknowledges that he is pouring out of his spirit upon all flesh. I am not that familiar with church teaching but as far as I know we divert from one another when it comes to the second coming. Am I mistaken?
We only differ on the second coming. The church world thinks that he is coming from the skies and that it is the man Jesus of Nazareth that is returning. Now they do not understand that he is ascending from within us, that he is appearing in our mind and now he is no longer the man Jesus of Nazareth but he is the glorified Christ appearing in many minds. Okay did I answer your question?
PASTOR VITALE: Do you have a question?
COMMENT: Yes em you said Cain and Abel were in one body and I do not understand how you get that because it says and this is chapter 4 of Genesis the 1st and 2nd verse and Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bear Cain and said I have gotten a man from the Lord and that is what Cain means. And in number 2 and she again bear his brother Abel and Abel was a keeper of the sheep but Cain was a tiller of the ground. And it is saying here that she conceived two separate times.
PASTOR VITALE: Well she did but that does not necessarily mean a physical conception. Did you not conceive the carnal mind first and then the mind of Christ second? And they are both inside of your mind.
PASTOR VITALE: it was a ...
COMMENT: It is really spiritualising that though.
PASTOR VITALE: Well they were spiritual at the beginning they did not look like us. They definitely did not look like us.
PASTOR VITALE: Okay.
COMMENT: At what point will Jesus take over our labours?
PASTOR VITALE: Full stature. We will labour to resist sin until he is fully born in our mind. We are not fully born again brethren, we have had a born again experience, we have been permitted to enter into a relationship with Christ and that relationship is growing but we will not be fully born again until he is fully born in our mind and becomes the Lord of our mind. And then we will cease from all labours. But those of us let me just say this that those of us that are truly entering into the new covenant which we talk about here, he has begun to appear in our minds.
One of the things we are teaching here is give up your own labours and let Christ led you. That is one of the things we are teaching here that is the beginning of his being fully born in your mind. You have to yield to him, if you want that you have to yield to him. You have to give up the works of your flesh so that he can come forth in your mind.
COMMENT: And the period of rest is also after full stature?
PASTOR VITALE: It is full stature. When we enter into full stature Jesus begins to keep the weeds in garden down. We are tilling our own garden right now the weeds are sin Satan and the carnal mind those are the weeds in the garden of our soul. When Jesus is fully grown in us, is fully born in us he takes over the job and we rest.
COMMENT: And that is the seventh day right?
PASTOR VITALE: That is the seventh day, yes.
COMMENT: Can you give us some examples of the thoughts that we should be resisting.
PASTOR VITALE: Everything that is not of Christ you resist it. And that you really have to hear from God because some thoughts that come from the carnal mind are not necessarily bad thoughts. It is just a practice of waking up every morning and saying Lord you know show me and teach me and lead my life.
If you have a secular job obviously you have to go to work but you can ask him to lead you on your job. I am in full time ministry and so I ask him what he wants me to do for the day. Even like today I told you I was seating at the computer working and he said go to the post office now and there was someone there that he wanted me to see.
So everything that is not of faith is sin. Every thought of the carnal mind is sin but it is a process we are not under condemnation for this we are slowly being absorbed into Christ.
COMMENT: Does this mean we should not engage in carnal conversations with those who are carnal?
PASTOR VITALE: No not at all, not at all. You have to meet them where they are. And also we cannot be completely spiritual, we are still in some areas carnal people and there is no condemnation in that as we slowly transfer from carnality into spirituality. You can only go as fast as you can grow. If you are a child, most children want to grow up and become adult but you can only grow as fast as you can grow.
The bottom line as I have been telling you all; the bottom line is let Christ take the lead, and follow Christ. That is what you have to do, give up all of your own works and yield unto Christ. You cannot do it yourself.
COMMENT: How do we separate that like for instance I am around on my job to converse with them and yet they are conversing on low levels or sometimes even getting perverse to be able to converse with them. He says do not be a friend with the world. What does that mean are we not supposed to be friends with them?
PASTOR VITALE: No it means do not be friends with the carnal mind but what you can do in a situation like that, what I do in a situation like that is I will pray. If I was on my job and I was with people that were in a reprobate condition I have done it. I have said Lord please raise up this conversation, it is offending me, it is grieving my spirit, I am here I am on this job with this carnal people, elevate this conversation and he does it, every time. He has never failed to answer a prayer like that when I pray it
No you do not run away from these people, but if it is offensive you ask the Lord what he wants you to do. And it has been my experience that Jesus never runs. He will turn the conversation around and he will be glorified in it.
COMMENT: Well, what I experienced was that I did not run but I just felt that I just went too low.
PASTOR VITALE: Well, he is training you. The reason he did not jump in and save you...
COMMENT: And I felt condemnation.
PASTOR VITALE: Yes the reason he did not jump in and save you is that he wanted you to ask this question tonight and he wants you to practice. He is going to let this situation come up again until you take the victory right on spot and you remember to pray. You say Jesus this is terrible it is forcing the Christ in me down be glorified in the situation, he is training you to think submission so it is just practice. It is practice.
COMMENT: You know that scripture that says let no man despise you, is that mean that somehow when the heart knows those that are hating you, those that are hating the Christ in you that there is a way we can win them?
PASTOR VITALE: I do not really know. I will have to look at the scripture in the whole context. I am not sure but on the top of my head it does not mean that but I do not know I have to look at the whole verse which I do not recall at the moment.
COMMENT: Because I know there was time when it was so obvious that they were hating me, and it looks like it is turning around and I am getting treating like just anybody else there.
PASTOR VITALE: Praise God
COMMENT: And I am questioning it I am going what happened here, am I one of them?
PASTOR VITALE: True that he will make your enemies to be at peace with you.
COMMENT: but am I one of them? Do they look at me it is like ah she is just like us or I do not know?
PASTOR VITALE: I do not know how they look at you. I do not know how they look at you, but they probably do look at you that way because they cannot discern Christ in you. I do not see anything wrong with that I am friends with everybody. I think that is what God wants.
COMMENT: So it does not mean that then that verse that says do not be friends with the world, the whole church world is saying do not be friends with them.
PASTOR VITALE: Oh no, it does not mean that.
COMMENT: Do not go out with them.
PASTOR VITALE: No
COMMENT: Do not go where they go
PASTOR VITALE: Well you do not want to go to their bars and you do not want to go to their parties where they are drinking.
COMMENT: Right I do not do that, on the job I mean.
PASTOR VITALE: No it does not mean that. You cannot be snubbing people, that has got to be a misunderstanding of the scripture. You are suppose to rule wherever you are and if the conversation is ungodly you pray and Jesus will give you the victory. If Jesus tells you to leave then you leave. Okay.
COMMENT: I have one other question that I wrote down here and it did not really have anything to do with the message. Is it okay to ask it?
PASTOR VITALE: Okay
COMMENT: What does it mean that those that are counted worthy of for the resurrection neither marry nor are given in marriage?
PASTOR VITALE: Those who are counted worthy of the resurrection? It means that in the resurrection there is no marriage. 1st Corinthians 7 is on it. It means that if you are called to be raised from the dead there is no marriage in the flesh, that is what it means.
COMMENT: Am I hearing you correctly that if you are called to full stature you are not suppose to get married. Is that it?
PASTOR VITALE: Yes but now do not trust my words. I do not know at what point that will come to pass. I do not know what point; God may let you have marriage for a season if in your life he knows that you are not going to come to full stature for another 20 years he may let you get married.
What that means is at the moment or if you have entered into the season where you are going to be called to full stature there is no marriage in the flesh. That is what he says but do not go interpreting that if it is some distant future you are called into full stature that you have to be a nun for all those years because that is not true.
But what it is saying is that you cannot be in full stature and have a physical relationship with a man at the same time that is what he is saying. And where the cut off point is that you have to give up that physical relationship where that cut off point is I honestly do not know.
COMMENT: What does it mean a nun is it two different phrases there neither married nor give in marriage. What is the difference between the two of them? What does that mean?
PASTOR VITALE: I do not know.
COMMENT: I mean just reading that literarily it looks like that those that are worthy of the resurrection do not get married.
PASTOR VITALE: That is what it says.
COMMENT: And they are Eunuchs, they are the ones who are going to make it.
PASTOR VITALE: Well that is true. You cannot have both. I know that I have answered this question once for you before. I know it was down in XXXX basement. You can only go so far. You can only ascend spiritually so far while engaging in human sexuality. You can be very spiritual while you are married up unto a certain point and if you want to ascend beyond that point you have to give that up. But that is the way it is. You are either going to engage in marriage in the mind with the Lord or you are going to engage in a human marriage.
And once you reach that point where you are really going to enter in to full stature you have got to give up what is behind. Is there not a scripture that says that give up the things that are behind and go forward into Christ? But anybody hearing this tape please do not go getting divorced or breaking your engagement or anything like that. Do not get into any religious bondage because you misunderstand what I am saying. Jesus Christ is the only one who can decree that you are not to marry. He is the only one that will tell you if you are called to that and what time in your life.
Please do not use my teaching to bring yourself into any bondage. When the time comes Jesus will reveal it to you. If you are called to be a eunuch he will reveal it to you. If you have not heard anything it means he has not called you to be a eunuch. If he has not come to you and said you are a eunuch then you are not a eunuch. Do not worry about it.
COMMENT: I guess it could be applied to a spiritual thing also. I mean I am sure it does mean that but that because we are married to Satan right? We are married to Satan and to be counted worthy of the resurrection you cannot be married to Satan right?
PASTOR VITALE: Well you have got to be married to Christ.
COMMENT: You have to be married to Christ.
PASTOR VITALE: So it is not talking about the spiritual marriage because you will be married to Christ.
PASTOR VITALE: Okay. Do you have a question?
COMMENT: A lot of us are married to Satan.
COMMENT: Does that mean every human being on the earth going to manifest, I mean after the first fruit company, after that there is going to be many more coming in until the whole creation is going to be manifested sons of God. Is that how it is going to be?
PASTOR VITALE: Well yes and no. Everybody on the face of the earth at the time of the manifestation of the first fruit will not go up to full stature. There will be a company of people that will just live out their lives and their bodies will die and they will pass on. But eventually will come into a place where every human being on the face of the earth will be manifesting Christ but it is going to take a while at least a thousand or more years, fifteen hundred years.
COMMENT: Fifteen hundred years the whole creation will be manifest?
PASTOR VITALE: I do not know for sure but I know it is not going to be in a week. It is not going to be in a week after the first fruit manifest it is going to be many many many years.
COMMENT: Does that mean some married men and women, especially women if she is married to a man and he is not walking in the Lord how she not have relations any more unless God would change his ideas and his intentions.
PASTOR VITALE: God has to do it. Do not anybody listen to this tape and stop having relations with your husband or anything like that at all. Please please do not get into any bondage. If God is calling you to that your sexual relationship with your husband will naturally cease.
PASTOR VITALE: (laughter) XXXX is hot tonight. (Laughter). Let God do it. Let God do it. Let me just say this everybody you live your natural life. If you want to go to school and the Lord makes a way you go to school. If you fall in love with somebody and you believe God has given you permission you do not want to be marrying just anybody you get married. If you are married enjoy the marital bed with your husband.
You live your life until such time as the Lord Jesus Christ comes to you and says well that is enough. Do not do it in your own strength. Almost every question you ask me I have the same answer for you. Do not do it in your own strength, wait on the Lord, wait on the Lord, wait on the Lord, wait on the Lord, same answer for almost everything you ask me. Wait on God pray without ceasing and wait on God.
COMMENT: I was sitting over here and I was just thinking, I am a nurse I have four patients I take care of and I decided that I was just going to give my nursing thing to the Lord that if God wants me to be a nurse fine, if not that is okay. And I was just thinking all day today that how much I really want to go to school and do my nursing. This is something that I really want to do and I was like well ... I mean how can I go to school to become a nurse, is it possible for me to em do ministry for the Lord. It is such a desire because I still want that is one of my goals it is just to become a nurse. You know I just do not know what to do. I do not know what to do.
PASTOR VITALE: Well I will tell you that God is faithful. I will give you a testimony of my own. Do not worry about it he will make a way. If it is of him he will make a way. When I first came to the Lord, I had a child with no husband, I was not physically well, I worked a full time job my daughter demanded a lot of my attention, then I had housekeeping, cooking, shopping, cleaning and I was in church 4 or 5 nights a week. And I remember I went before the Lord in tears saying Father you know there was an active church at the time, and they were all evangelising and they were going here and they were taking trips, I said Lord how am I going to do this? it is my whole life that is all I want is to be in you, to be with you and in the things of the ministry, how am I possibly going to do this? And the Lords words to me was be at peace and now I am in full time ministry and I have been to Nigeria.
So if it is his will that you go to school, he will make a way in a way that you cannot even imagine now stop worrying about it. But keep the matter before him with prayer and supplication and he will either make a way or he will tell you that he is not going to let you do it one or the other.
COMMENT: I have been told that I was really good at my field and that is encouraging me.
PASTOR VITALE: Well give it to him and he will take care, he is full well able to do it. Maybe you will get a grant and you will be able to stay home and go to school. God can do anything.
COMMENT: I know. I know he will.
COMMENT: Oh yes I was thinking of going to ..... school for 2 years.
PASTOR VITALE: Okay before you start, are there anymore spiritual questions from anybody? I am just waiting ...okay
COMMENT: I was just thinking that of the Lord gives me to prophesy I do not remember too much about it but just that he said you are bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh. I did not understand it at the time.
PASTOR VITALE: Are you asking me what it means or you mean that you learnt it from tonight's message? Well bone in the scripture typifies spirit, so to be the bone of the Lords bone that means your spirit is not Satan's spirit but your spirit is the Lord's. The flesh of my flesh means that your soul is not the carnal mind but it is Christ. Bone is spirit, flesh is soul.
PASTOR VITALE: Well then I guess you are bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh. You must be in Christ. Well it may have been true at the time or it may have been prophetic. He may have been telling he was going to make that a reality in your life. Because we know at the very least that that is not a complete reality because you are both so it may have been a promise to you.
COMMENT: Another .... that I heard this morning on the tape of something. I was driving in the car with my husband last week and he said something to me to the effect of you are just a human being. And I shout back with I am not a human being but I came from here and I was not here, I came out and I had the same feeling when a long time ago we were suppose to go on a trip and the pastor asked me are you going and I said I am and I had the sense that it was me who said it. And I have that same sense that it was so silly.
PASTOR VITALE: Well if it was God saying it, it is not silly here.
COMMENT: Human being I mean
PASTOR VITALE: Yea I think we are all pretty
PASTOR VITALE: What did XXXX say that make you say that?
COMMENT: That is something else that disturbed me, he did not say a word. He did not react he just looked over and walked away and that is not .....
PASTOR VITALE: Well what preceded that? What did XXXX say that made you say that maybe it was Christ that responded to you.
COMMENT: I just remember .....saying you are just a human being.
PASTOR VITALE: But why did he say that?
COMMENT: I cannot remember the context. .........
PASTOR VITALE: Yes it is possible that Christ rose up and said that, I do not know. Any other spiritual questions here?
COMMENT: Going back to what you were saying about the carnal everything it is saying anything that is not of faith is sin. I thought you said that not every thought is a bad thought even though it is coming from the carnal mind like for example if someone decides they want to eat something or go somewhere or speak to a friend that it is carnal but not to condemn yourself or feel bad about yourself.
PASTOR VITALE: Of course you cannot condemn yourself we are still very carnal but as God calls you to think more and more of Christ you have to give it up. But everything that is not of faith is sin, that is why it is impossible to say that if we are in Christ the people in the church say we do not sin but any thought that is not out of the mind of Christ is sin that is why we are sinners our state of being is sin.
COMMENT: But we are not to condemn ourselves but to force ourselves to think of Christ all the time.
PASTOR VITALE: No you cannot do it in your own strength.
COMMENT: You do not have to be religious about it.
PASTOR VITALE: No, you cannot do it in your own strength. You just live your life and just have a fleece with the Lord that you are willing to mature as fast as he is ready to mature you.
COMMENT: Just allow the Lord to do the work?
PASTOR VITALE: Just allow the Lord to move through you.
COMMENT: We cannot wake up in the morning and say we are going to do this and this and this, that is of Christ, many people do that they get religious
PASTOR VITALE: Well it is not of Christ is you are doing that, it is not of Christ
COMMENT: Just live your life every day. Just ask the Lord to lead you.
PASTOR VITALE: Right, It should be effortless. Living out of Christ should be effortless like the Lord just told me I just felt to go to the post office at a particular time. It should be effortless. You should not have to be going into any kind of bondage to find out what he wants you to do.
COMMENT: Every minute, every second?
PASTOR VITALE: No, that is not the Lord that is the religious spirit; you just live your life with a general ongoing fleece that you desire to serve him and then you just walk and as you walk he directs you.
COMMENT: How about if I am around people, or family or anybody and we just like my family they are not saved and me just get into conversations that are not of the Lord. Should I not force ministry on them or anything?
PASTOR VITALE: No you cannot force ministry on people but I pray all the time to keep it godly, if I am around people that I know it could get ungodly. I pray and ask the Lord to keep it godly and to make it as spiritual as possible.
COMMENT: I just let the Lord, ask God to lead the conversation.
PASTOR VITALE: Yes make it as spiritual as possible. I have really been ministering to my parents I do not believe how I have been ministering to my parents. I cannot really believe that I preach to them about this election and my father was listening to me I could not believe it.
So if you are willing to lay down your soul life, if you are willing to sacrifice your own soul, your own desires to minister and to go and meet these people wherever they are, the Lord will more and more give you ministry for them as you die to your flesh he will bring it through you naturally. But I think before that happens there is a transition period where he wants to see that you are really willing to meet these people on their own level as long as the conversation is godly.
He wants us to go out and love these people and meet them right where they are as I said as long as the conversation is not ungodly, communicate with them, develop a relationship with them and as they learn to love and trust you, he will bring ministry to them. But he wants us to come to a point where we are communicating with them because we love people.
Now listen to this, this is very important: not that we are communicating with people because we have a desire to minister that will gratify our own soul. Do you hear the difference?
We desire to minister that will bring gratification to our own soul is selfish. The Lord wants us to love people and as he brings people into our lives to meet them wherever they are just because they are God's creation. He loves them and when you meet people in that way eventually he will give you whatever ministry they could tolerate, it may not be much.
COMMENT: What if they do not want to hear anything of the Lord but they still want to have a conversation?
PASTOR VITALE: Well you should never force yourself on anybody.
COMMENT: When you mean a godly conversation
PASTOR VITALE: I mean they are not cursing or talking about sex or perversion or anything like that, that is what I am talking about but any godly conversation I guess I did not make that clear. Talking about their babies, talking about their job, are all fine as long as you do not perceive a perverse spirit that is attacking Christ in you.
COMMENT: I see
PASTOR VITALE: That is all acceptable to God. He wants the love of God to be shown to these people that we are going to accept them where they are for what they are, unconditionally love them in Christ but not tolerating or being drawn into their sins.
COMMENT: So if they are talking about things that to sex, what do you do walk away withdraw?
PASTOR VITALE: No I will pray.
COMMENT: Just pray
PASTOR VITALE: Pray, say Father are you going to change this conversation or what do you want me to do. What do you want me to do maybe he will tell you to walk away maybe he will change the conversation. I have had both experiences but usually he will change the conversation. He is not a quitter he will be glorified in anything.
COMMENT: If we can change the conversation and talk about something else you say that?
PASTOR VITALE: Well if you do it and it is not Christ it is really witchcraft. It is really if you do not like what somebody is talking about and you use the carnal technique to change the conversation, it is really taking control and if the Lord has not anointed you to do it, it is really witchcraft.
COMMENT: We were with a group of old friends and ....kept saying Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ again and again. So I turned round and ......
COMMENT: Em should we also pray if it is the Lord's will because what if they are talking about it and God wanted it to come out sometimes. I mean if I do pray could not that prayer could be witchcraft if God was in that conversation and I try to turn it myself.
PASTOR VITALE: If you pray a witchcraft prayer, I do not know what you set forth I meant when I said you should pray. The correct prayer will be Father this conversation is grieving my spirit, will you change the conversation or would you have me to withdraw what will you have me to do that is the prayer.
COMMENT: We like to just be in the conversation and it is bothering me. Should I pray a change or just because it is bothering me, I mean whatever it is if it is about sex and you know I just think that oh you know I do not think that we should be talking about this, just because it is about sex that is what I am asking you. Then I pray Lord change it and everybody all of a sudden feels the pressure to change the conversation.
PASTOR VITALE: The first thing you should do is attempt to make a judgement whether it is ungodly or not. If you are convinced it is ungodly, if you are in that place in Christ where you know that it is ungodly, you can rebuke it but if you are not in the place where you know that where you can tell whether it should be rebuked or not you tell the Lord. I am having a problem with this what would you have me to do.
COMMENT: From one second to the next I really could not tell. I mean from one thing that was said seems to be alright then it kind of got even more so then I decided well that .
PASTOR VITALE: It is really so simple, all you do is say Lord do you want me in this conversation and you know you make all this questions in your mind it is so simple. All you say Lord..
COMMENT: I do not want to pray witchcraft on them you know.
PASTOR VITALE: That is not witchcraft to say, Lord do you want me in this conversation.
COMMENT: Yes, no I asked you a question about myself.
PASTOR VITALE: Really it is so simple.
COMMENT: It is not simple hearing it from him though. I do not think it is simple hearing it from him.
PASTOR VITALE: Well you have to pray the prayer and then see what he is going to do. At least give it a chance you know and then you are praying the prayer and whatever you do afterwards you have to believe that it is him and the way I express it I tell God this all the time. I have done all that I know how to do, and the now the responsibility is on you. I am not doing it in my own flesh I have given it to you and now I am in what I believe to be a crisis and I have not heard from you and I am going to do what I think I have to do. You have to believe he is going to take control of your mind. You have to have that faith that he is going to take control of your mind.
I think XXXX wants to talk will someone give XXXX the microphone please.