Two Seeds


Scriptures Commented On (In Order Of Appearance): Ez. 37:10, Gen. 1:6, Gen. 24:2-9, 2 Sam. 3:13-16, 1 Jn.5:12, Acts 4:10, 12, 1 Cor. 13:8-10,Rev. 12:13-14, Matt. 19:28, 1 Cor. 13:9,,1 Cor. 11:10, Heb. 6:4-5, 1 Cor. 13:10-11, Gen. 2:19, Gen. 2:15, Matt. 13:38, Matt. 18:11, Jerm. 18:4, Gen. 4:10, Lk. 14:5, Ezek. 1:10, Rev. 12:7, 1 Cor. 15:49, 1 Cor. 13:12, Mk. 10:27, 1 Cor. 13:13, 11, 1 Cor. 14:1, Ex. 20:26, Eph. 4:8

<LivingEM> Father, in the Name of Jesus, we exalt your Name. We thank you, Father, for our life and for the lives of our family members. We thank you that our legs work, and that our arms work, and that our intelligence is sufficient for us to have gained entrance to this chat room on the Internet. We thank you for the computers that allow us to be here. We thank you for a good meeting today, Lord. We thank you for watching over us, and defending us against screen freezes and all sorts of mechanical harassment on line today. We thank you for sustaining our modem connections and for being involved in every potential mechanical difficulty that Satan has put together to oppose us. We pray that you should be victorious today, and that the transcript feature of our chat room should endure so that this message may be made available to the whole world. Praise the Lord.

Ezek 37:10, So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army. (KJV)

<LivingEM> Can anyone tell us who is commanding Ezekiel to prophesy?


<JSNGSNG> Spirit of Elijah?

<LivingEM> Yes, Adam within Ezekiel is commanding Ezekiel to prophesy. And what is prophecy, but the personality audibly speaking out the thoughts of the Tree of Life within her. Can anyone tell us the names of the two parts of the Tree of Life? Can anyone tell us where the Tree of Life is growing?

<JSNGSNG> Root & branch, Abel.

<OVERCOMER>> Root, which is Abel

<LivingEM> Yes, root and branch is the answer. The root of the Tree of Life is Abel. Can anyone tell us who the branch of the Tree of Life is?

<JSNGSNG> Christ Jesus

<LivingEM> Yes. Christ Jesus is the name of the WHOLE Tree of Life in the New Testament.

<LivingEM> Israel is the branch of the Tree of Life. You may recall that Samson, an Israelite, was sent to restore the mortal men of Judah, the tribe of Israel that generates its Kings, because their Tree of Life had died.

<OVERCOMER>> Abel is to be joined to Cain in the right order, so is it Cain?

<LivingEM> No, Cain is not the branch of the Tree of Life. Can anyone tell us who Cain is, concerning the Tree of Life? Cain is the foliage, or the spiritual leaf, of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil which is joined to the Tree of Life, and both Trees are rooted in and growing out of the same spiritual ground. From another point of view, Cain is also Behemoth, the ignorant, spiritual animal that represents mortal humanity, and Abel is her spiritual mind.

Does anybody remember why Abel can dominate Cain only briefly before Cain kills him? Cain and Abel are one dual being. It may be helpful to think of Cain and Abel as one spiritual atom, with Abel representing the positive particles and Cain representing the negative ones. There is an on-going war within the atom to determine whether the negative or positive elements will prevail.

Can anyone tell us how Abel becomes strong enough to dominate Cain permanently? What will equip Abel to secure Cain underneath him in the female position? We have already said that Abel is the root of the Tree of Life. Who must Abel grow up into, to prevent Cain from washing away the ground that Abel is in, and uprooting him?


<LivingEM> Yes, Abel must increase into Adam, who is the WHOLE Tree of Life. The longer and deeper the roots of a tree are, the more they stabilize the WHOLE tree in the earth. A tree with shallow roots is easily overturned, but a tree with long, deep roots can withstand the storm. Can anyone tell us what Adam has that Abel is lacking?

<OVERCOMER>> The power, the waters?

<LivingEM> Yes, Adam possesses the waters/energy of creation, and water signifies energy. Can anyone tell us who, other than Adam, can possess the creative energy?

<JSNGSNG> Satan.



<LivingEM> Yes, Satan is the name of the waters of creation when they are possessed by the negative principles. Can anyone explain the difference between Adam and Satan? Both Adam and Satan can represent the waters of creation. What is the difference between the two?

<OVERCOMER>> Adam's waters are pure, and Satan's waters are urine, or are mixed with the earth, and muddy.

<LivingEM> It is true that the earth is the pollutant in Satan's waters.

<DANIEL42> Adam has the righteousness.

<LivingEM> Both answers are partially correct.

<LAMB> One is positive and one is negative.

<LivingEM> Adam's waters are pure and righteous, and yes, Satan is negative and Adam is positive. But what is it that makes Adam's waters pure and righteous?

<OVERCOMER>> His waters are separated into the upper window.

<LAMB> One is connected to Jehovah and one is connected to the serpent.

<LivingEM> This answer is close. In Adam, the righteous root of the Tree of Life is grafted to the waters. Adam is Abel, the righteous root of the Tree of Life, grafted to the waters/energy of creation. Satan is the waters of creation, polluted with the earth. Abel is not mentioned when Satan possesses the creative energy, because he is dead and buried under the polluting ground (Gen. 4:10).

Can anyone tell us if it is possible for Abel, the righteous root, to be grafted to the waters of creation while they are polluted with the earth? It is not possible. Can anyone tell us why it is not possible?

<LAMB> They are opposites.

<LivingEM> Again, this is close, but we need more specific answers for the people who ask. Adam, the Lake of fire, purifies the waters of creation continuously. Satan must kill Adam and stop his purifying function to possess the waters of creation. Can anyone tell us the name of Adam's fiery characteristic?

<OVERCOMER>> Elohim.

<LivingEM> This is true. The fire is Elohim, but what is the name of His specific aspect which is the Lake of fire in this present generation?

<OVERCOMER>> Christ Jesus.

<JSNGSNG> Judgment.

<LivingEM> Yes, the Lake of Fire is the Spirit of judgment, but what is His personal name in the Old Testament and in the New Testament?

<OVERCOMER>> Christ.

<LivingEM> What is the name of the Spirit that defends Adam and raises him from the dead?

<JSNGSNG> Spirit of Elijah.

<LivingEM> Yes, the name that Elohim takes to identify his dual relationship with Adam in the old Testament is the Spirit of Elijah, and in the New Testament?

<LAMB> Michael?

<JSNGSNG> Spirit of Christ.

<OVERCOMER>> Spirit of Christ.

<LivingEM> Yes, the Spirit of Elijah/Christ is the inseparable companion of the regenerated Adam/Christ Jesus. Adam/Christ Jesus would not be Adam/Christ Jesus if he were not bound to the Spirit of Elijah/Christ, in the same manner that Abel is bound to Cain. The Spirit of Elijah and Adam are one spiritual man to Israel, and the Spirit of Christ and Christ Jesus are one spiritual man to the Church. The two are inseparable, except in what event? What is the only thing that can separate Adam from the Spirit of Elijah, or Christ Jesus from the Spirit of Christ?


<LAMB> Unrepentance of sin.

<LivingEM> Sin is the cause of the separation, but we need to know HOW sin separates Adam from the Spirit of Elijah. What is the effect of sin?


<JSNGSNG> Death.

<LivingEM> Yes, Adam's death is the only event that can separate him from the Spirit of Elijah and, likewise, in our generation, only the death of Christ Jesus within us (Col. 1:27) can separate Him from the Spirit of Christ. Is it possible for the Spirit of Elijah or the Spirit of Christ to die?

<LAMB> No.

<LivingEM> Why can the Spirit of Elijah and the Spirit of Christ not die?

<LAMB> Permanent connection to Jehovah or Elohim.

<LivingEM> This is true. The Spirit of Elijah and the Spirit of Christ, which are both aspects of Elohim, cannot be separated from Jehovah, the self existing source of all life. Adam/Christ Jesus is married to the Spirit of Elijah/Spirit of Christ on His upper side. Can anyone tell us who Adam/Christ Jesus is married to on his lower side?

<JSNGSNG> Fiery serpent.

<LAMB> Fiery serpent.

<DANIEL42> Personality/fiery serpent.

<LivingEM> Yes, Adam/Christ Jesus must be married to the fiery serpent on His lower side before he can marry the Spirit of Elijah/Christ, who is above. Can anyone tell us why? What is the purpose of spiritual marriage?

<LAMB> The fiery serpent is the wife. The purpose is to produce sons.

<LivingEM> It is true that the fiery serpent is Adam/Christ's spiritual wife, but why must this marriage be in effect before Adam/Christ Jesus can marry the Spirit of Elijah/Christ above?

<OVERCOMER>> It's our spiritual virginity.

<LivingEM> Remember that Cain is interwoven with the fiery serpent, who is the ground.

<JSNGSNG> Cain must be separated.

<LivingEM> The purpose of the marriage, both underneath and above, is to join the personality to the Spirit of Elijah/Christ and Adam/Christ Jesus, the WHOLE Tree of Life. Can anyone tell us where the personality fits into this picture?

<OVERCOMER>> It's the leaf.

<LivingEM> Yes, the personality is the leaf of the Tree. But what part of the Primordial Creation does the personality represent?

<JSNGSNG> Female.

<DANIEL42> Good?

<LivingEM> The personality is the present-day descendant of the Primordial Ox (Ez. 1:10). Can anyone tell us what the role of the Primordial Ox is?


<LAMB> To make the creation visible. The primordial ox was Adam's wife.

<OVERCOMER>> Belonged to Adam and was to show his glory?

<LivingEM> Yes. Jehovah and Elohim joined Adam to the Primordial Ox who was to be his visible, spiritual body. It is also true that the Primordial Ox was the visible expression of Jehovah's glory. The personality is the present-day expression of the dead Primordial Ox. Can anyone tell us when the Primordial Ox died?

<PEARLMERCHANT> When the serpent stole the woman.

<LivingEM> This is true, but it was separation from Adam that caused her death. Can anyone tell us why the Primordial Ox separated from Adam.

<OVERCOMER>> When Adam died.

<LivingEM> Yes, because Adam died. The Primordial Ox died when Adam died. Can anyone tell us what the specific cause of Adam's death was? The medical examiner performs an autopsy to determine the specific cause of death.

<OVERCOMER>> When he bent down to listen to the serpent and was pulled down to her, her spiritual witchcraft was so strong he was pulled away, separated from Jehovah or Jehovah let go.

<JSNGSNG> Lost his manhood.

<LivingEM> This is true. Jehovah released Adam when Adam preferred the thoughts of the Serpent. There is only one way to die spiritually, and that is to agree with sin in your mind. And, conversely, there is only one way to be restored to eternal life. Can anyone tell us in the context of this discussion how we will be restored to eternal life? If we die to eternal life because we agree with sin, how do we die to death?

<OVERCOMER>> Agree with righteousness.

<LivingEM>Yes, we must agree with righteousness IN EVERY THOUGHT, but we cannot agree with righteousness if righteousness is not in us. Who is our righteousness?

<JSNGSNG> Christ Jesus.

<LivingEM> Yes, Christ Jesus. Is the Holy Spirit our righteousness? Can anyone tell us the difference between the Holy Spirit and Christ?

<JSNGSNG> Holy Spirit is not our righteousness.

<LivingEM> This is true, the Holy Spirit is not our righteousness.

<LAMB> The Holy Spirit prepares us to receive the mind of Christ.

<OVERCOMER>> Holy Spirit is the seed, Christ is the mind.

<LivingEM> It is true that the Holy Spirit is a seed, but there is more than one kind of seed. Christ is also a seed. Can anyone tell us the difference between the two seeds?

<JSNGSNG> Holy Spirit is curative.

<LivingEM> This is true. What does the Holy Spirit cure?

<JSNGSNG> Gifts of healing.

<LivingEM> The gifts of the Spirit are a byproduct of His primary function.

<OVERCOMER>> The Holy Spirit cannot give you eternal life, but Christ can.

<LivingEM> What is the Holy Spirit sent to do?

<LAMB> Clean us up.

<JSNGSNG> Witness to Christ.

<OVERCOMER>> Prepare you for Christ, eternal life.

<LivingEM> Can anyone tell us who the Holy Spirit is? He is Jesus' purified waters/energy of life. The Holy Spirit, the purified waters/energy of life, has entered into hell to purify the polluted waters that are here. THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE SEED THAT BEGINS THE PURIFICATION PROCESS, HE IS NOT THE VIRILE SEED WHICH IS OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. CHRIST IS THE VIRILE SEED WHICH HAS THE POTENTIAL TO INCREASE INTO THE WHOLE TREE OF LIFE.

What part of us has the Holy Spirit come to purify?

<DANIEL42> The human spirit?

<LivingEM> LAMB said that the Holy Spirit is sent to clean us up. This is true. Yes, the Holy Spirit is sent to purify the human spirit and the mind (2 Cor. 7:1). The Holy Spirit is also sent to point us to Christ, who is our preparation for eternal life. How does the Holy Spirit purify the human spirit?

<DANIEL42> He draws out the polluted waters, Satan?

<LAMB> Convicts us of sin.

<LivingEM> The Holy Spirit does convict us of sin, but the actual purification is in the separation of the waters. The Holy Spirit performs what Elohim commanded in

Genesis 1:6, And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. (KJV)

<LivingEM> Daniel, you have the truth in your heart, but your carnal mind has reversed it. In the natural, a pollutant such as snake venom is drawn out of the bloodstream, but it is the opposite in the Spirit. The Holy Spirit is drawing the human spirit out of Satan's polluted waters and joining the human spirit to Himself. Can anyone tell us what Satan's symbol is?


<LivingEM> Yes, Satan is signified by the sea. Satan's polluted waters are a great underground sea which exists underneath the earth of humanity. The human spirit in a mortal man flows with Satan in that great sea, which is the spiritual blood of the etheric body (Rev. 17:6, 18:24).

The human spirit that responds to the Holy Spirit is purified through deliverance ministry, and the carnal mind is renewed through the Word. The truth defeats the lying carnal mind, and both the human spirit and the carnal mind are purified by the casting out of spiritual filth. So we see that the Holy Spirit is the catalyst that begins the process of our death to the lifestyle of the widowed fiery serpent (Rev. 12:11). Can anyone tell us why I say the "widowed" fiery serpent?

<OVERCOMER>> She is separated from her husband who is Leviathan?

<LivingEM> You have the general idea Overcomer. The fiery serpent is widowed when she is separated from her true husband, Adam/Christ Jesus, and the Scripture considers the fiery serpent a widow even when she is married to Leviathan. The personality that is married to Christ Jesus is the virtuous woman of the Book of Proverbs. We must die to the lifestyle of the widowed fiery serpent so that we can marry our true husband, Adam/Christ Jesus, and become that virtuous woman.

So, once again, we see that the Holy Spirit begins the process of separation by which Christ, the righteous seed, can be grafted to us. The Holy Spirit is the purified waters/energy of the creation which exist today in Jesus Christ, and Christ in the individual is the virile seed which has the potential to increase into Christ Jesus, the whole Tree of Life.

The Scripture says that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are passing away. This is because the Holy Spirit is not a part of the Tree of Life. He is sent to point us to Christ Jesus, that glorious Tree. The Holy Spirit is not the bridegroom. He is the servant that seeks out the bride.

Gen. 24:2 And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house, that ruled over all that he had, Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh:

3 And I will make thee swear by the LORD, the God of heaven, and the God of the earth, that thou shalt not take a wife unto my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell:

4 But thou shalt go unto my country, and to my kindred, and TAKE A WIFE UNTO MY SON ISAAC.

5 And the servant said unto him, Peradventure the woman will not be willing to follow me unto this land: must I needs bring thy son again unto the land from whence thou camest?

6 And Abraham said unto him, Beware thou that thou bring not my son thither again.

7 The LORD God of heaven, which took me from my father's house, and from the land of my kindred, and which spake unto me, and that sware unto me, saying, Unto thy seed will I give this land; he shall send his angel before thee, and thou shalt take a wife unto my son from thence.


9 And the servant put his hand under the thigh of Abraham his master, and sware to him concerning that matter. (KJV)

<LivingEM> So we see that the Holy Spirit is not authorized to force the [spiritual] woman (Gal. 3:28) to follow Him, which I have been preaching for many years. And this is the reason why it is witchcraft to evangelize in a manner that pressures people. Only Christ Jesus, the Son, has the authority to take the woman against her will. And who is the "woman" in the context of evangelism? The personalities of mortal humanity are the "woman" who is invited to be the Bride of Christ (Jn. 3:17).

2 Sam. 3:13, And he said, Well; I will make a league with thee: but one thing I require of thee, that is, THOU SHALT NOT SEE MY FACE, EXCEPT THOU FIRST BRING MICHAL SAUL'S DAUGHTER, when thou comest to see my face.

14 And David sent messengers to Ishbosheth Saul's son, SAYING, DELIVER ME MY WIFE MICHAL, which I espoused to me for an hundred foreskins of the Philistines.

15 And Ishbosheth sent, AND TOOK HER FROM HER HUSBAND, even from Phaltiel the son of Laish.

16 And her husband went with her along weeping behind her to Bahurim. Then said Abner unto him, Go, return. And he returned. (KJV)

<LivingEM> Hallelujah!! the Lord will not leave us in hell forever, even those of us who are too overcome by Satan and Leviathan to desire Him for ourselves.

So now we understand that the Holy Spirit and Christ are two different kinds of seed. We know that the Holy Spirit begins the purification process that prepares our human spirit to receive Christ, the engrafted Word, and that the Holy Spirit is not the Son, but the purified waters/energy of the Lord Jesus Christ, which are the waters/energy of the creation of God. The Son is Christ Jesus, Jehovah's sperm grown up into spiritual manhood, and the Holy Spirit is the purified waters of Jehovah's spiritual seminal fluid.

The water of both physical and spiritual seminal fluid is the medium that carries the seed. There is no life in the waters alone, even in the purified spiritual waters. Oh my goodness! How shocking! There is no life in the Holy Spirit? No, brethren, there is no life in you until the seed grafts to you. There is reconciliation with Jehovah through the Holy Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ, but life is only in the Son.

1 Jn. 5:12, He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. (KJV)

Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that BY THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH, whom ye crucified ....

12 NEITHER IS THERE SALVATION IN ANY OTHER: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (KJV)

"Name" means "nature," and the nature of a man is in his seed, not in the water that supports the seed. We live again when the Spirit of Christ which is in Christ Jesus, flows through our spiritual veins. This is how the Scripture can say that the gifts of the Spirit are passing away. They shall be swallowed up by the Spirit of Christ, which is in Christ Jesus.

1 Cor. 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 BUT WHEN THAT WHICH IS PERFECT [Christ Jesus - water and seed] IS COME, THEN THAT WHICH IS IN PART [Holy Spirit - water only] SHALL BE DONE AWAY. (KJV)

STUDY IN 1 COR 13:9-13


<LivingEM> Am I against the gifts of the Spirit? No, most definitely not! I am merely telling you what to expect: The Holy Spirit shall be withdrawn from the earth and those who have received the engrafted Word shall be under the protection of the indwelling Christ Jesus; and those who do not have the engrafted Word shall be protected and taught by the sons of God -- if their pride does not prevent them.

Rev. 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman [Church] which brought forth the man child [Christ Jesus].

14 And to the woman [Church] were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished [by the sons of God] for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. (KJV)

<LivingEM> The Holy Spirit, the purified waters/energy of Jesus Christ, is the Branch of the Tree of Life. When Christ Jesus, the whole Tree of Life [water/energy and seed], regenerates in the individual, that which is in part, [the Holy Spirit (waters/energy only)], shall pass away.

Matt. 19:28, And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, IN THE REGENERATION when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (KJV)

1 Cor. 13: 9

For we know in part, and we prophesy in partPaul is saying that we prophesy out of the partial tree. This means that the gift of prophecy is channeled through the carnal mind which is under the influence of the Holy Spirit. Can anyone tell us the name of the partial tree?

<LAMB> Knowledge of Good and Evil.

<OVERCOMER>> The tree of knowledge of good and evil.

<JSNGSNG> Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

<LivingEM> Yes, the partial tree is the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. The gift of prophesy is the Holy Spirit influencing the GOOD side of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil to speak His words, but prophecy can also come from the evil side of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil, our carnal mind.

1 Cor. 11:10, For this cause ought the [spiritual] woman to have power [authority of Christ Jesus] on her head because of the angels. (KJV)

Spiritual gender is determined by spiritual genitalia. The Mind of Christ is male, and the Carnal Mind is female. Spiritual sex is never determined by the physical body.

Gal. 3:28, There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. (KJV)

<LivingEM> The phrase "we know in part," is speaking about the true communion, which is spiritual intercourse of the mind with the glorified Jesus Christ. We have a taste of this glorious experience through the Holy Spirit when He reconciles us to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Heb. 6:4, For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And HAVE TASTED [Christ Jesus], THE GOOD WORD OF GOD, and the powers of the world to come, (KJV)

1 Cor. 13:10

But when [Christ Jesus] that which is perfect is come, then [the Holy Spirit] that which is in part shall be done away (KJV)

The Holy Spirit Is The Water/Energy PART

of Jesus Christ's Spiritual Semen

Christ Jesus Is The Seed & The Waters/Energy<LivingEM> What is the perfection that we are to expect?

<LAMB> The mind of God in us.

<OVERCOMER>> The Tree of Life, Christ Jesus.

<PEARLMERCHANT> Glorification, the mind of Christ.

<LAMB> Actually union with The Lord Jesus Christ.

<LivingEM> Yes, the Mind of Christ is the answer, but we are not glorified until we pass out of the body. So we see that when the Mind of Christ, Jesus' glorious Mind, regenerates in us, that which is in part shall be done away. And what is in part? What partial thing is passing away?

<JSNGSNG> Carnal Mind.

<LivingEM> The carnal mind will not pass away until glorification. What partial thing passes away when the Mind of Christ regenerates in us?

<LAMB> This whole system except the redeemed personality.

<DANIEL42> The Holy Spirit?

<LivingEM> Yes, the Holy Spirit, which is only part of the Tree of Life, the branch [waters/energy], to be more specific, shall pass away when the WHOLE Tree 0f Life rises in the individual. The Holy Spirit is the branch of the Tree that was in the man, Jesus (Zech. 3:8, Jerm. 23:5), but when our own branch of the Tree of Life rises within us (Ez. 47:7), the Holy Spirit shall depart from us, or be swallowed up into that WHOLE Tree, which is Christ in us (Col. 1:27). So we see that the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ will not exist as a separate entity apart from Christ Jesus, the regenerated Tree of Life within us.

1 Cor. 13:11

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. (KJV)<LivingEM> The Greek word translated "child," Strong's No. 3516, is a different Greek word than the one translated "manchild" in Revelation, Chapter 12. It means "to be a simple-minded person," "an infant," or "one who lacks the ability to speak."

Our ability "to speak" God's language is only in Christ Jesus, and Jehovah does not recognize any other language. Scripturally speaking, as far as Jehovah is concerned, those who do not have the ability to speak Jesus' spiritual language are dumb [mute] and speechless. Paul is saying that before Adam, the only true man, regenerated within himself [Paul], all of his thoughts, understanding and speech were simple minded. This is just another way of saying that all of Paul's thoughts, speech and understanding came from his carnal mind.

1 Cor.13:11When I was a child, I SPAKE as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. (KJV"Speech" (Spake) Means "Motive" <LivingEM> Please note that Paul says "speech," not "words," which signify "language." Does anybody remember the difference between "speech" and "words"?

<LAMB> Speech is mind to mind communication.

<DANIEL42> Speech is inaudible, language is audible.

<JSNGSNG> Speech is inaudible.

<LivingEM> Yes, speech is thought, which includes motive. Paul is confessing that before Christ Jesus was regenerated in him, his thoughts and motives were generated by Satan, the unconscious part of the carnal mind.

1 Cor.13:11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I THOUGHT as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. (KJV)"Thought" Means "Accumulation"The Greek word translated "thought," Strong's No. 3049, means "to count" or "to compute," and is translated "to think," less than half of the times that it is used in the New Testament. Does anyone remember the spiritual significance of the word "to count," or "to compute"?

<LAMB> To reason with the Lord?

<LivingEM> The spiritual significance of "to count" is "to accumulate the necessary spiritual power for ascension." The phrase, "count the number of the beast" in Revelation, Chapter 13, signifies that the beast is ascended into the place of spiritual power in the brow energy center (Ex. 13:16, Lk. 4:29) of the counterfeit timeline.

Paul is not saying that he was childish, but that he was living out "the childish one," or his "childish mind." The words "childish things," at the end of verse 11, a translation of Strong's No. 3516, means "infant" or "little child," but can also be translated, "untaught," "unskilled," or "not of age."

Paul is saying that all of his accomplishments as a Pharisee arose out of the widowed fiery serpent, Jehovah's spiritual sperm, which are maturing through the good and evil experiences of this world since they were kidnaped by the Primordial Serpent. Jehovah's spiritual sperm becomes a completed spiritual man when He is joined to the Fathers, Christ Jesus and the Spirit of Christ (Mal. 4:6).

Who is the fiery serpent? The fiery serpent is the seed of Jehovah's spiritual seminal fluid which were kidnaped before they matured into Jehovah's permanent image. Can anyone tell us who kidnaped the sperm of Jehovah's spiritual seminal fluid? Can anyone tell us the name of the nurse who was responsible for them? Who was the guardian of all the potential civilized men who were to be in Jehovah's image?

<LAMB> Adam?


<LivingEM> Yes, Adam is the nurse who is responsible for the sperm of Jehovah's spiritual seminal fluid, and Adam's job, in particular, is to make sure that the seeds of Jehovah's life are engraved with Jehovah's nature.

Gen 2:19, And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. (KJV)

<LivingEM> This Scripture is talking about the many-membered living beast which was formed from two spiritual elements, ground [Serpent] and fowl [Spirit man]. Now, if you believe that this Scripture is talking about lions and elephants, I challenge you to ask the Lord with an open heart to confirm the true intent of this Scripture.

"Name" means "nature" in the Scripture. Adam is responsible to engrave humanity [the whole (every) living creature], which is the collective Primordial Ox (the beast of the field), and the Eagle/Spirit man (fowl the air), with the nature of Jehovah.

Gen 2:15, And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. (KJV)

The Hebrew word translated "keep," means "to militarily guard." Who was it that kidnaped Adam's charges?

<LAMB> The Serpent.

<LivingEM> Yes, the Primordial Serpent raided Adam's nursery and kidnaped all of the children [sperm/seed].

Matt 13:38, The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; (KJV)

<LivingEM> So we see that there is "good seed" and "tares," or "evil seed." What seed? Jehovah's seed. The "good seed" is Jehovah's spiritual sperm engraved in Jehovah's image, and the "evil seed" is Jehovah's spiritual sperm engraved with the Primordial Serpent's image. And these seeds are appearing today in fallen humanity as the fiery serpent. The "good seed" is the fiery serpent that is married to Christ Jesus, and the "evil seed" is the fiery serpent engraved with the nature of "the Evil One" who killed Adam, the guardian of humanity.

Matt 18:11, For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. (KJV)

<LivingEM> Can anyone tell us what was lost?

<LAMB> Jehovah's seed.

<LivingEM> Yes, Jehovah's spiritual seed was lost.

The Greek word translated "lost," Strong's 622, can also be translated "to mar," or "to render useless."

Jer 18:4, And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it. (KJV)

<LivingEM> The Serpent marred the original clay vessel, so the other potter, the Lord Jesus Christ, marred it again and reformed it back into its original shape.

There are two potters determined to engrave their nature upon the clay of this creation and, more specifically, upon the seed of this creation, which is intimately interwoven with the ground [the fiery serpent], since Adam fell.

Gen. 4:10, And he said, What hast thou done? The voice of thy brother's blood crith unto me from THE GROUND. (KJV)

<LivingEM> Both the seed and the water of Jehovah's spiritual seminal fluid were lost, and Adam's ox was lost also.

Lk. 14:5, And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day? (KJV)

Ezek. 1:10, As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: AND THEY FOUR HAD THE FACE OF AN OX ON THE LEFT SIDE; they four also had the face of an eagle. (KJV)

<LivingEM> The seed of Jehovah's spiritual semen is completely mingled with the earth of the Primordial Serpent's ocean bed, and Satan and the Spirit of Christ are in an all-out war to engrave the fiery serpents which have incarnated mortal humanity with their respective natures. Michael signifies the Spirit of Christ in Rev 12:7, where He is fighting the warfare that precedes the "re-engraving," or the "re-generation" (Matt. 19:28).

Rev. 12:7, And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, (KJV)(1)

<LivingEM> The fiery serpent, the spiritual virginity of the personalities of mortal humanity (Matt. 25:7), are the seeds of Jehovah's spiritual semen which are not yet permanently formed. The Spirit of Christ engraves the fiery serpent joined to Christ Jesus with Jehovah's nature, and Satan engraves the widowed fiery serpent with the Primordial Serpent's nature. But whether, the fiery serpent is good and evil, or righteous, she is the seed of Jehovah's spiritual semen.

1 Cor 15:49, And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. (KJV)

<LivingEM> Or, we have been engraved in the image of the earthen Primordial Serpent, but we shall be engraved with the image of the Lord Jesus Christ, the man from heaven, who came looking for Jehovah's lost seed, the spiritual charges that were stolen from the world above on Adam's watch.

1 Cor.13:11

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I UNDERSTOOD as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. (KJV)"Understood" Means "Opinion"

<LivingEM> The Greek word translated "understood," Strong's #5426, means, "to make a judgment," or "to have an opinion." The only time in the whole New Testament that this Greek word is translated "to understand" is in 1Cor. 13:11.

So we see that Paul is saying in 1 Cor 13:11, that the opinions of the carnal mind are spiritually childish, and that there was a time that his fiery serpent [his spiritual potential] was ascended without Christ Jesus (thought), and, therefore, the motives of his thoughts (spoke) and his opinions (understanding) were generated by Satan, the unconscious part of his carnal mind. But when the Lord Jesus Christ regenerated Adam/Christ Jesus within Paul, and Paul became one with Adam/Christ Jesus - the man, Christ Jesus (1 Tim. 2:5), put away, or did away with, the motives and opinions of Paul's spiritually childish carnal mind (childish things).

The Greek word translated "put away," means "to render entirely idle and useless." Adam/Christ Jesus rose from the dead in Paul and rendered Paul's carnal mind utterly and entirely useless, void, and of no effect. And now that Adam/Christ Jesus has regenerated in Paul, Paul has the "hope" (Titus 2:13) that the "faith" of Christ Jesus who is formed in him (Phil. 3:9) will endure, so that he, Paul, can consistently express Christ Jesus' selfless love (charity).

The Greek word translated "charity" is "agape," which means "selfless love."

1 Cor. 13:12

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. (KJV)The Greek word translated "we see," Strong's #991, which means "to discern," is speaking about spiritual, not physical sight. The Greek word translated "through," Strong's #1223, can also be translated "on account of," and the Greek word translated "glass," Strong's #2072, can be translated "reflection," as well as "mirror."

There are two Greek words translated "darkly," (1) Strong's #1722, which denotes position and can be used of "time," and (2) Strong's #135, which means "obscure," "an obscure thing," "an obscure saying," "an enigma," or "a riddle."

This is very interesting, since we have just completed a study on Samson's riddle which reveals it to be esoteric doctrine. Samson's riddle is the spiritual truth of the Doctrine of Christ.

The Greek word translated "then," can also be translated "at that time," "face," signifies the personality, that which is seen, and the Greek word translated "to," can also be translated "towards."

Paul is saying that, at that time, the Corinthians lived on a personality to personality [rather than a personality to God] level of consciousness. Therefore, their discernment was obscure and unclear, they perceived only the reflection of the real, spiritual world, and the spiritual truth of the Doctrine of Christ was still a riddle to them.

There are two different Greek words translated " to know" in verse 12. The first one, Strong's 1097, translated "I know," means "to know intimately," and is a Jewish idiom for sexual intercourse between a man and woman. The second Greek word translated "to know," Strong's #1921, "to be fully acquainted with," is derived from two Greek words, Strong's #1097 [the first "to know"], and Strong's # 1909, which means "above."

Strong's #3313, translated "part," signifies "the partial tree," the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil; the Greek word translated "then," Strong's #5119, can also be translated "at this time"; and the Greek word translated "even as," Strong's # 2531, can also be translated "after that."

Paul is saying, "now, at this time, you are having spiritual intercourse with the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, the partial tree, but after this present experience, you, as well as I, shall have spiritual intercourse with Christ Jesus, the one that I, Paul, am fully acquainted with, who is the whole Tree of Life that is above, or higher than, the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, the partial tree"

Paul is telling the Corinthians that at this time they are engaging in human sexual intercourse in the world underneath the spiritual sea, but that at some time in the future they shall engage in spiritual sexual intercourse with Christ Jesus, our Lord from the spiritual world above, and they shall be changed (1 Cor. 15:52).

Paul teaches the Corinthians, further, that his relationship with Christ Jesus is more mature, or more perfect, than their relationship with the Holy Spirit, and prophesies that they, too, shall experience spiritual intercourse, or spiritual communion, with Christ Jesus in the midst of them.

Comments On 1 Cor. 13:1-8


The whole point of Paul's exhortation on "charity," in verses 1-8, is to explain to the Corinthians that MORTAL MAN IS INCAPABLE OF SELFLESS LOVE but, he then goes on to tell them in the subsequent verses, they can manifest the love of God through Christ Jesus.

Mk. 10:27, And Jesus looking upon them saith, WITH MEN IT IS IMPOSSIBLE, but not with God: for WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. (KJV)

Following this train of thought, then, we must disagree with the King James translation of 1Cor. 13:13.

Cor. 13:13

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. (KJV)The Greek word translated "abideth," can also be translated "to continue," "to survive," or "to endure," and signifies the immortality which is in Christ Jesus, our eternal foundation.

1 Cor. 3:11, For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. (KJV)

The word "faith," is speaking about the faith OF Christ Jesus which mortal man receives when Christ is formed in him. Those who lack Christ Jesus can only "hope" that the faith of Christ Jesus will be formed in them also. The word "three," signifies the third, dark part of our spiritual being, sometimes called "the serpent's triangle," also known as "the carnal mind." We will translate this word as "Leviathan," the subconscious part of the carnal mind, considering to the context of this verse.

Paul is saying, "now that Christ Jesus (faith) continues indefinitely, or endures, (abideth) [because of the Lord Jesus Christ], you have reason to hope that the love of God (charity) [will manifest through you], but Leviathan (three) is stronger than Christ Jesus (charity).

What! How shocking! Leviathan is stronger than Christ Jesus? How can you say such a thing, Sheila? I can say it because it is true. Adam/Christ Jesus regenerated in the individual is weaker than Leviathan, UNTIL Christ Jesus marries the glorified Jesus Christ, who is above. Leviathan is strengthened by Satan, and the two are one spiritual force. Adam/Christ Jesus in the individual can be defeated by Satan and Leviathan, UNLESS the glorified Jesus Christ fortifies him from above.

This very issue is a major stumbling block for some who believe that Christ is in them from birth and, therefore, do not need the glorified Jesus Christ. It is true that the human spirit, an aspect of Christ which can be likened to the Holy Spirit, is in us from birth, but the human spirit is dead until the Holy Spirit of the glorified Jesus Christ quickens and purifies him, and joins him to the revived root of the Tree of Life (Job 14:9).

1 Cor. 14:1, Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. (KJV)

The Greek word translated "follow after," can also be translated "to pursue"; "charity," means "the love of God [Christ Jesus]"; "desire," means "to desire earnestly"; and "that," can be translated "to the intent that." The word "gifts," is not in the Greek.

Paul is saying, "[therefore], pursue the love of God [Christ Jesus] and the Spirit [of Christ], rather than ?????, to the intent that you may prophesy.

Rather than what? Pursue Christ Jesus and the Spirit [of Christ], rather than the "GIFTS," to the intent that you may prophesy.

Well, this makes no sense if you think that Paul is talking about the Gift of Prophecy, but he is not. Paul is talking about the TRUE prophecy, which is Christ Jesus speaking out of the personality that He lives in. The GIFT of prophecy is the Holy Spirit influencing the good side of the carnal mind to speak His words.


To wind up this teaching, we are saying that Christ Jesus is the mediator between the glorified Jesus Christ and the personality, the present-day expression of the Primordial Ox.

The regeneration of the Tree of Life in mortal humanity requires that the Holy Spirit, the purified waters of the glorified Jesus Christ, cleanse the individual human spirit and mind in preparation for "the joining," or "the grafting of the Word," which is "the seed" that has the potential to increase into the whole Tree of Life. "Christ," is the name of the "Word" or the "seed," that is grafted to the purified human spirit which is now flowing with the Holy Spirit. Christ increases into Christ Jesus, who marries the fiery serpent that is joined to the personality, and raises the WHOLE personality [the personality and the fiery serpent, her spiritual potential] into the heart energy center of the righteous time line, where the glorified Jesus Christ marries Christ Jesus, and imparts eternal life to the whole regenerated man.

The higher energy centers of Leviathan's timeline cease to exist when the glorified Jesus Christ marries Christ Jesus and the lower energy centers go into dormancy. The fiery serpent, the part of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil which remains [is not destroyed], is subjected to the eternal judgment of Christ Jesus, who prevents the Primordial Serpent from regenerating Satan and Leviathan, her mortal timeline. Can anyone tell us the symbolic name of the Primordial Serpent's timeline?

<DANIEL42> Counterfeit timeline.

<LivingEM> The Scripture calls it "the tower that is built upon confusion."


<LivingEM> Yes, the Tower of Babel. And does anyone know the name of Jesus Christ's time line?

<LAMB> Eternity.

<LivingEM> Jacob's ladder.

Ex 20:26, Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon. (KJV)

<LivingEM> This Scripture is saying that we should not try to ascend in our own power or strength, but wait for the Savior who will bring us up.

Eph. 4:8, Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (KJV)

<LivingEM> Can anyone tell us why we must wait to be escorted into the higher centers? Can anyone tell us who our escort is? Can anyone tell us who WE are?

<LAMB> We have to be joined to the Lord Jesus Christ.

<JSNGSNG> Christ Jesus.

<OVERCOMER> We cannot ascend on our own. If we do not ascend in Christ Jesus, then we are ascending in Leviathan.

<LivingEM> Yes, Christ Jesus in the individual is the escort who brings the whole personality to the Lord Jesus Christ who is above. We are sure to enter into the Tower of Babel if we ascend without Christ Jesus, because Christ Jesus alone can ascend up Jacob' s ladder and enter into His Father's house (Jn. 3:13).

Rom. 8:25, But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it. (KJV)

<LivingEM> We thank you Father, for this good food. We thank you that you have come to find us, Jehovah's lost sons. We thank you for your Word, which enables us to choose righteousness. We thank you for the privilege of being amongst the first to ascend. We pray that you continue to help us, Lord, to recognize our sins and to continue to confess them, and repent. We thank you for the truth, Lord, which is renewing our mind. We thank you for the wisdom that we need to defeat the enemy who hunts for our soul. We thank you for fellowship in Christ Jesus, and pray that we should be of one mind and one accord, that there should be no division amongst us. We pray for a humble spirit, Lord, and for the ability to communicate on a sensitive, righteous, spiritual level.

<LivingEM> We thank you, Lord, for all of the believers that you are drawing to the Doctrine of Christ at this time, and pray that you strengthen them, and that your will should be done in them. We pray, specifically, Lord, for the Fields of Faith Church, because they have requested prayer. We pray for Pastors Bill and Dee, and for Diane, Jim, Neil and Angela. We also pray for Suzanne and Mr. Wonder. Bless them, Lord, and be glorified in them. Meet their every need, we pray, according to your wisdom and your purposes in their life.

1. For further study on Michael and the Lord Jesus, and a deeper understanding of Rev. 12:7, see the On Line Meetings for 04/28/99 (Mind Generation - Pt 1), 05/05/99 (Mind Generation - Pt 2) and 5/12/99 (Ezek. 11:23)

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Sheila R. Vitale is the founding teacher and pastor of Living Epistles Ministries and Christ-Centered Kabbalah. In that capacity, she expounds upon the Torah (Scripture) and teaches Scripture through a unique Judeo-Christian lens.

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